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I was wondering, what happens to the spirit of a person who commits suicide in the physical world?This is something that has been gnawing at me for weeks. I'm not saying I'm suicidal, but I know someone who may be, and of course, none of us (as far as I know) knows what happens in the afterlife for sure, but I would like some feedback and possible answers from those of you who are advanced in astral experience and spiritual matters. Please help. Thank you. |
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Join Date: 2003-09-08
Forum Posts: 149
There is a heavy karmic debt for suicide. Assuming the person still has lives left then they return in a new body in whatever set of life circumstances and just as they have everything to live for and are really happy to be alive their life is taken from them.
This might seem harsh but Karma allows for learning, in this case the essence learns that suicide is wrong.
Also, suicide is pointless because if you have lives left well then you return and you come back with the same egos to the same strength they were before so therefore you really haven't escaped anything but instead have acquired a heavy karmic debt.
The answer is to do the spiritual work to get rid of the egos and so in this way we also pay off our karma particularly with the 3rd key. We can escape the wheel of life only by doing enough spiritual work. A more complete answer is too much to go into in this public forum, you will have the full picture
by the time you finish the Journey to Enlightenment course.
You might like to help your friend by gently explaining it is possible to get on top of our negative inner states and to actually get rid of them completely and so be able to experience true peace, true happiness, bliss, true love. The Seaching Within course is the start to learning how to do this.
All the best, David.
Join Date: 2004-11-30
Forum Posts: 2769
"Advanced in astral experience and spiritual matters"
I don't think that anybody here believes he or she fits into this qualification.
Maybe I can answer you but I am actually just a beginner.
It all depends on circumstances but usually suicide or murder brings a lot of karma to pay.
If people will truly inderstand the consequences -just few will do it.
People do it because unfortunately they are asleep so much and so much controlled by egos.
I can advise you strongly to take the Gnostic courses!
After you will be advanced enough for yourself to find the answers for those type of questions.
By the way mechanics of death is explained in Searching Within course.
The best luck in your practices!
Join Date: 2005-01-24
Forum Posts: 637
at the moment of death and during the following three and a half days our consciousness and our inner judge are liberated by the electronic discharge.Then we see all our life passing in a retrospective order.The discharge is so strong that the man falls down in a comma state and suffers incoherent dreams.
Only the person who has that what is called the Soul,can resist the electronic discharge without loosing the consciousness.
we have 2 retrospections:
1. at the moment of death we relive our life in a retrospective way - this one is in a quick and terrible way
2.the death person has to relive in the astral world all the existence that he has just finished,but he has to re-live it in a so natural way and along the time,that the death person is so identified with it that he really enjoys every age of the life that has finished.
when this retrospective work has finished,we have absolute conscience of the final result of our life has finished.it is at that moment that if the person is not the definitively lost,will take the decision of correcting his mistakes and pay what is debt.
after that he is judged by the lords of karma.
after the judgement there are 3 possibilities for the disembodied person:
1 -Some Holidays in the Superior Worlds before coming again to this world.This is for the people who really deserve it.
2 -Come back immediately or after a pause to a new womb.This coming back to the world is in general very painful.
3 -To go down to the Infernal Worlds until suffering the Second Death.
the courses will give you more understanding of this. ;)
Join Date: 2005-09-20
Forum Posts: 81
David, that is a very interesting answer regarding the karmic consequences of suicide. Can I ask where you learned this? Was it in the reading?
Join Date: 2007-04-10
Forum Posts: 24
hmmm it trully is an interesting subject,however im not sure about the carma subject,we still have to concider posibilities...ferst off lets describe heavan and hell in astral claims.
I believe that for those people who are not aware about the idea that your thoughts feelings and beliefe's creat your life and what you percieve as reality its prooven by Quantomphysic's if you still dont know what im talking about go to youtube and look up (The Secret) or (What the bleep down the rabbit whol)or (The Law Of Attraction)anyway,its the same as in the astral plain your thought's become reality.
Now lets look at EGO's,people are self addictive being's if your depressed all the time and feel horible all the time then hey sorry to say but you are SUBCONCIOUSLY addicted to feeling depressed and horrible and hey lets face it,if your depressed enough to go suicide, your gonna creat your OWN HELL when you die...becaus you couldnt let go of your addiction's to feeling horible, HOWEVER...ill say this again what matters is what you believe and percieve as true.
Not the oppinion's of other's and i think thats what Gnosticweb is doing,there encouriging people in finding their own answer's...becaus nobody here can dance your dance for you...not even the damn so called HOLY BIBLE can the bible dance your own dance...man ide pay to see that,i would also pay to see the trash in the kitchen take itself out lol
thats what i think
Join Date: 2008-01-21
Forum Posts: 5
anonymous: are you serious? you know someone who is suicidal.
that's a joke. It's obviously you.
Don't do it.
Get out and do something original.
Join Date: 2004-11-30
Forum Posts: 2769
Hi Nunu,
That's quite an original joke.
Welcome to the site
best wishes,
Vadim
Join Date: 2003-09-08
Forum Posts: 149
Noah, I learnt that from a teacher when I was doing the courses.
Join Date: 2006-11-18
Forum Posts: 101
Nadya,
I was wondering about the second death that you mentioned regarding the 3 possible fates of the deceased. Is this 2nd death a complete nothingness? What is the second death? Did Samael elaborate?
Join Date: 2008-01-29
Forum Posts: 8
Thanks Nadya this Harry I read your response regarding life after death , One more question If some don't want to came back in another life did you read about that what the says about that .
Thanks much,