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After talking to several people of expertise the idea of Jinn or Jina is rather hazzy. I understand about the evil spirits but that is spelt Djinn.Others believe that Jinn state is when you project your essence to the 4th dimension instead of the 5th dimension (astral projection).What i have been told from a few educated meditators that the state of Jinn is projecting your consciousness down into yourself on a molecular level. This was/is practiced in China i believe or as part of Zen buddhism.Again these are all theories and after all a theory is just an expanded idea.If anybody actually KNOWS anything at all to do with Jinn then my thanks and appreciation will go out to them whole heartedly if they can share their knowledge.Peace |
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You may find Chapter 8 in Samael Aun Weor's book The 3 Mountains to be useful in explaining what the State of Jina is. http://www.gnosticweb.com/documents/EN_The_Three_Mountains.pdf.
Cheers
Trent
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If I'm not mistaken jinn state is when we stransfer our physical body into the fourth dimension. This enable us to go anywhere we want with our physical body. I can imagine that this require many many hours of practice.
Anders
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Is Samaels discription of Jinas his own or was this passed down or found in the Akashic?
Jinn is a very old method of meditation founded somewhere in Asia.
The idea of putting your PHYSICAL body into the fourth dimension stems from tibetan monks. They would move essence down to the molecular level and transport that molecule and use it as a tool to build another physical. Pretty far out stuff but it seems the only information i can find is by word of mouth.
I read a lot of the gnostic texts with great interest but to me nothing is ever concrete. I'm just trying to find as much information as possible and see what resonants with in me.
There are a few metaphysical texts that do describe existing outside of time and space and has a little to do with Jinn but i am looking from more of a meditative point of view.
PEACE
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There are lots of theories and writings on it, the only thing that really matters though is that we gain our own experience and thus knowledge of how it works, rather than forming beliefs about it.
Samael gives the technique in the book Trent mentioned, so we know how we can find out :-)
Elisabeth
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I searched through gnostic texts, buddhist texts, astral projection books and i can't find a thing.
You say there are a lot of writings about this perhaps you could share with me where/what these are.
PEACE
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Hence you won't really find a "Jinas is..." type of explanation.
As I understand it, it has been mentioned in various texts, sometimes referred to as paradise. But this is just my understanding of it, I can't say for sure.
The most obvious reference to it that I've seen is in Samael's books.
It's not the kind of thing that's meant for reading about though - this was meant to be practiced. And Samael gives the technique for that in the book mentioned by Trent.
The most valuable thing we can do if we want to learn about Jinas is to aim for our own experience of it :-)
Elisabeth
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Just because Samael says so doesn't mean it is. Please don't get me wrong though. I have much respect for what Samael has done to educate people on Spiritual matters.
I guess i will then tell who ever is listening the meditative experience that i have and that several people have told me is the beginning of Jinn. Perhaps by me sharing this some people may understand a bit better.
*After my initial relaxation methods my mind becomes clear and empty. (In order to empty the mind we must first allow EVERYTHING to enter without judgement, and only then can we clear).
My mind is so clear that layers and layers of nothing (black) seem to come over me and i feel so heavy that with each breath on exhale my body is sinking through the bed.
Gradually the perspective of the room that i was in gets drastically warped and everything seems like it is a mile away; the end of my bed is far far away. Any noise that i hear also seem like they are far away. This is as far as i can go. I'm not sure what to do here. I normally stay with this highly unusual feeling and explore my consciousness as much as i can but then i will gradually bring myself out of it.
This used to happen to me as a child when i was really sick. I would lie in bed close my eyes and everything would get huge.
Does anybody have an "analysis".
And please don't go and tell me to join the "online course to find answers" - i have already joined out of my own curiosity.
Any help will be highly appreciated
Peace
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DMT has been considered a "spirit molecule" for this reason. the thing is though (in my view) that if we partake in drugs to reach spiritual states then we are playing with fire and we cannot reach that state consciously because of this. but this DMT is produced naturally by our brains, found in higher amounts in the pineal gland, so my personal view is that it is produced in greater amounts in the more active pineal gland. and of course the pineal gland is especially activated in deep meditation and in white tantrism. the world you are seeing in such a state cannot be understood later by the mind, because the experience itself is more "real" than what the mind can even begin to comprehend with all its objects and distractions.
this seems to be the case here. that is my "analysis".
Samael does give specific directions on how to reach the state of Jinas in that portion mentioned so many times already. i personally have not attempted this, just feel that i am not ready for it yet, dream and projection is more than enough to swallow right now.
peace,
jim
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I myself do take drugs but never when i am meditating. I found that you can get to the place you want to go far easier but when you get there you lose all control.
Thank you again.
Peace