The Secret Book of John

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Sun, 04/01/2007 - 01:42
stanovnik

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I find it interesting how Jesus tryed to describe the Absolute in words :)[The following is from "The Secret Book of John", a Gnostic Christian text. It is a conversation between the ascended Jesus and John the Beloved.] He (Jesus) said to me, "The Spirit is a Unity, over which no one rules. It is the God of Truth, the Father of the All, the Holy Spirit, the invisible one, the one who is over the All, the one who exists in his imperishability, the one who exists in pure light into which no sight can look."One must not consider the Spirit as God or as of a specific quality, for it is more excellent than the gods. It is a Beginning that none precedes, for no one existed before it and it has no need of them. It does not need life, for it is eternal; it needs nothing, for it is not perfectible, since it has no deficiency which might be perfected, but is beyond all perfection. It is light.It is illimitable because no one is before it to give it limits; undifferentiated, because no one is before it to differentiate it; immeasurable, because no one has measured it as though existing before; invisible, because no one has seen it. It is the eternal which always exists, the indescribable because no one has apprehended it so as to describe it, the one whose name no one can tell because no one existed before it to name it."It is the immeasurable Light, the holy and pure purity, the indescribable, perfect and imperishable. It is not perfection or beatitude or deity, but something far more excellent. It is not boundless nor are limits set to it; it is something more excellent. It is neither corporeal nor incorporeal, not great, not small, not a quantity, not a creature; no one can think it. It is not anything existent, but something prior -- not as if in itself it were prior, but because it is its own. It has not part in an Aeon. Time does not belong to it, for one which participates in an Aeon has been formed by others. Time is not allotted to it, since it receives nothing from any other which allots. It makes use of nothing. In short, there is nothing before it. It seeks only itself in the perfection of Light, and comprehends the pure Light. The immeasurable greatness, the eternal, the giver of eternity, the Light, the giver of light, the life, the giver of life, the blessed one, the giver of blessedness, the knowledge, the giver of knowledge, the eternal good, the giver of good, the benefactor; that which is not of such a kind because it is such, but it gives qualities; the merciful mercy, the grace-giving grace, the immeasurable Light."What shall I say to you of It, the incomprehensible -- the vision of the light -- corresponding to what I shall be able to comprehend? For who will ever comprehend It as I can discuss It with you?"

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Sun, 04/01/2007 - 22:20
Mattias I

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Hello Stanovnik

Sounds like a very interesting text. Do you mind telling us a bit about the background to this text, because I don?t think it is part of the Nag Hammadi library?

Mattias
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Mon, 04/02/2007 - 02:41
stanovnik

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Hey Matthias,

Apperently it is a part of the Nag Hamadi library. Basic description from wikipedia;

"The Secret Book of John (Apocryphon of John) is a second-century Sethian gnostic text of secret teachings, which are given a Christian context. It describes Jesus reappearing and giving private information to the apostle John after having ascended to heaven"

The translation i posted is from gnostictemple website, and recently i found i think the entire book, which translation is little different, but very interesting. Here it is;

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn.html

Regards!
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Mon, 04/02/2007 - 02:46
Mattias I

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Oh, it is the same as The Apocryphon of John, that?s why it was so familiar.

Thank you

Mattias
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Wed, 04/04/2007 - 07:35
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Sounds like a NDE report on the all surrounding light.
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Mon, 04/23/2007 - 18:58
nadya

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Thanks for sharing it stanovnik!! :D
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Mon, 08/06/2007 - 23:59
Roos

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The Nag Hammadi library is not completely Gnostic nor are they all 100% genuine. What I mean by that there were many old ancient fakes made back then. Christianity was also very diverse also unlike now. What was Gnostism back then? It was also very diverse.

Peace Be With You

Roos Ashoka

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Tue, 08/07/2007 - 09:28
David G

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Thanks for posting that Stanovnik, it's really inspiring!

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Thu, 08/30/2007 - 23:27
Roos

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This is indeed one of the Nag Hammadi texts. But again the problem being is it dates back to around the mid 2nd century like the majority of official orthodox and Gnostic alike.

Peace Be With You

Roos Ashoka