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Thu, 01/25/2007 - 20:27
Julian Kingman

Join Date: 2005-03-16
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It will give me much mental security if someone can confirm this phenomenon! I see people everywhere relating things, this and that and the other to each other and then asking if it's normal, or the way it's supposed to be! I see this and it makes me uncomfortable because I'm new to it, I need to know if this is the case!What I mean to point out is that many people use these posts and forums for a mental security, of sorts, and depend on their answers for what they SHOULD do, what is the right way, tell me please! The right way is no way, be aware and follow your heart. Anyway, I just thought it was something that people should be aware of. Even I do it sometimes, though often, like this, it is to poke fun. I hope I will be laughed with and no one will take this as an attack, but a chance to look and see how far our minds take us.Take a walk outside, watch the trees, they offer comfort without weakening your eyes or spirit.Love,-J

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Thu, 01/25/2007 - 20:47
Jazzarati

Join Date: 2004-02-08
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When you go outside though don't stare at the sun as it will weaken your eyes. Also an LCD screen can help.

Cheers :D
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Fri, 01/26/2007 - 02:31
jeace (not verified)

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Hi Julian,

Your words :

"The right way is no way, be aware and follow your heart."

That's WISDOM, my friend.

There will ALWAYS be those who partly agree with your statement, but at the end, that ONE LINE is all we need to REACH our goal.

;)
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Fri, 01/26/2007 - 04:01
Jim B.

Join Date: 2004-05-28
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i think being aware and following my heart are what lead me. i mean that phrase ('be aware and follow your heart') sounds pretty, and it works if done correctly. you can easily see that the result of this can be extremely negative as well though, look to the age of the hippy, they were so naive to think they were just following their hearts, indeed they preached love and peace, but they also followed their hearts into promiscuous sex, drug abuse, unwanted children, now many people follow their hearts and preach about peace and love while parading around with their pro-choice signs.......

is your heart right? if not, then that's why Masters always leave behind help for us. otherwise none of the Masters would have stayed once they reached Mastery... you can see obviously the lives of these individuals are to help us get somewhere with our hearts.

anyways, i agree and disagree.

best wishes to you.
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Fri, 01/26/2007 - 07:29
jeace (not verified)

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Jim,

I suppose you bring up the 'hippies' issue still because of what I had mentioned in that other thread about J. being among us now, or not?
It never left your mind, eh? ;)

Jim, I had NOT tried to say that the people in that period (late 60's) who reacted to the coming of J. was BEHAVING 'relatively correct'.

Look, I quote my words here under :

"
Well, do you remember Woodstock (the original event)? and the so called 'Love Generation'?
What do you think incited this all?

Of course the Woodstock event itself was nothing more than a lot of people taking the chance to go wild, but go wild out of an inspirational energy which was 'IN THE AIR'.

People, or at least the more receptive ones KNEW something great, something related to LOVE itself, was happening...the birth of J.

Of course, these people had NO IDEA what motivated this inspiration inside them, but that was no reason to stop the celebration.
"

So, place the accent on WILD there. :)

Humans are humans, and nothing changes that, so I guess you can compare it to the 'exhilaration' which some may experience by some drugs, for example.
One may not know exactly what's going on, but there is a feeling there that delivers a certain 'euphoria'.

In short, I hope you understand what I meant.
NOT that those 'sensitive' (to the LOVE flow) masses had turned into some kind of 'preachers of LOVE', but YES that they reacted to SOMETHING REAL, even though they had NO IDEA what it was.

Jim, I think that thought (concerning J.) has been roaming in your head, and although you disqualify it as having any potential validity, deep inside you KNOW it is possible.

You may be wondering "what if...?", but you do your best to stick to the 'safe' choice, that it is too ludicrous a thought to even consider.

Look, I am currently preparing for the 3rd course, because I want to know what they are all about.

To this point, I can tell you that they are indeed a good way to get people the FIRST STEP in being aware, BUT that has NOT changed the things I know nor my past.

I still can GUARANTEE YOU (100%) that much of what Mr SAW talked about were nothing more than segments of HIS

REALITY, and NOT VALID outside HIS CONTAINED PHYSICAL EXPERIENCE.
NOT only 1 or 2 things, but A LOT MORE than you think.

Everybody talks about how imperative it is to experience before ANYTHING ELSE, but at the same time ALMOST EVERYBODY, and especially the non-beginners, seem to develop a blind faith in almost ANYTHING that came from Mr. SAW's mind.

I know, you don't know me, other than the post exchange, so if somebody is lying here it must be Jeace, right?

Jim, I am NOT making things up, and NO (I mean NOT IN ANY WAY), there are NOT a billion different realities for every soul. That is ONLY while one is 'entranced' by the 'physical CONTAINMENT'.

So, you think I am a 'black lodger' or some kind of 'Darth Vader'?
What do I gain by telling you this all?
Do you think I tell it to get attention?
So...why am I telling you this then? What do you think?

Please, try to read my posts the way I type them...relaxed.
I am NOT trying to start a debate (I know it sounds strange, but I really hate debates).
I tell you these things because I think it could help you.

I am NOT your father, I am your FRIEND.
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Fri, 01/26/2007 - 07:57
Gabrielle

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Hi Julian,

I've been in situations in which I clearly did not know what was right or wrong. When we live in such darkness, particularly at first, it is difficult to see things clearly sometimes. I've found that I get the most answers to my own questions when I really put forth efforts to gain an understanding of the question. This can include asking others for their input, considering what they have to say, but not blindly following. I don't feel that seeking answers in this way necessarily means that you are not following your heart. I think it's great that we can help one another.

Gabrielle
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Fri, 01/26/2007 - 08:57
Jim B.

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Jeace, i didn't read your post past the first few lines. but no, i didn't bring anything up because of you. i was giving my opinions on the idealistic "follow your heart" pseudo-esoteric garbage i see in the "new age" section at books-a-million.
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Fri, 01/26/2007 - 16:14
jeace (not verified)

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Hey! That's my favorite department at Books-a-million.
;)
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Sat, 01/27/2007 - 05:09
Jim B.

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XD

used to be mine back when they actually had cool stuff there. now (at least here) all you can find in "new age" section is Sylvia Brown! :(

there's not even a single book about Edgar Cayce there anymore.

didn't mean to be rude to you Jeace. i find it hard nowadays to read or write long posts or debate too much.
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Sat, 01/27/2007 - 20:13
jeace (not verified)

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Jim,

I know you hate long posts, mainly because of the possible debates involved, but this is an a challenge for a debate...it is longer than I wanted to, so sorry about that. :(

I know the word 'debate' might find a place in the actual exchange of words, but do you really my think that my intention is EVER to debate?
No, of course not. Like I said before, I actually DO hate debates.

Most people are here to look for answers (=facts), right?
So what I do is provide information to others.
Some may agree with it and some may not, and that is OK, SHOULD BE OK.

Truthfully, my purpose is NOT to provide discomfort to those happily carrying on with their 'hobby', but rather to provide COMFORT to those others who have it difficult finding that PEACE inside.

I know sometimes my posts may provoke those who solemnly believe in EVERY SINGLE STEP laid out by a 'master', but that is their choice...SHOULD BE THEIR CHOICE.

If I tell you that so many things are NOT the way some 'great' ones have put them on paper, you think I'm nuts, because there are so many nuts out there, right?

All I ask from others is to understand that EVEN the so called 'great ones' have their personal reasons to 'expand their 'reality'.

A 'great mind' may have enough with the water in their backyard's swimmingpool to fill an ocean.
It does not mean there is any bad intent, but that doesn't change the effect (confusion) they have on others.

Of course you know I am mainly talking about Mr SAW's books and claims.

It is REALLY a pitty he's not around anymore, because then I ASSURE you, I would make an exception to face a 'debate'.

Other than the information on the courses and some of the radio interviews, I have not read Mr. Pritchard's book, but as far as I know, I don't think we can compare Mr. Saw's claims/stories with the more 'relaxed' approach of Mr. Pritchard.

Some actually give more credit to Mr. Saw, only because his STORIES picture him as THE ONE who's got ALL the workings of the universe in his pocket.

Thus, if I NEEDED to pick a side, then I would pick on Mr. Pritchard's side, and NO, I do NOT say it only because this is his site, because I still do NOT agree with MANY of his theories about the NEEDS of the soul, and you know that by now.

Jim, I know I may sound so 'arrogant', but I am NOT trying to sound 'great'...I am trying to reach your inner core which DOES KNOW what it does NOT REMEMBER now.

You say you didn't mean to be rude, and I KNOW you didn't.
Don't worry. You don't need to apologize to me, AT ALL.

Shall I tell you a secret?
I feel a certain 'pull' to people in pain (emotional pain) with a big heart.
Then it's hard for me to let go, until I feel a 'click' inside, and 'see' they are LETTING GO of the pain.

To Many seeking the spiritual is a way to find that which will give them the freedom...free from the pain they carry inside.

So, if it's hard for you not to see me as a 'lunatic', it's perfectly FINE with me (REALLY!).
;)
That does NOT change, in any way, how I see YOU, because I like you more than you believe possible from a 'LOVE maniac', my friend.

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Sat, 01/27/2007 - 20:49
Julian Kingman

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There's a difference between following your feelings and your heart. If you understood what is meant by 'follow' and 'heart' (a tricky concept that slips through our fingers), this technique can't go wrong. As Jeace said, it also might not put you in the exact direction pointed out by the Masters. There are infinite roads in life, and all of them lead to God, it's just the amount of time that differs, and perhaps the amount of pain, and of course the experience.
-J