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As much as I'd like to believe that we can really take journeys out of our bodies, I have major doubts.Don't you think it's more likely that when you AP you enter a state of self-hypnosis or simply fall asleep without knowing it? Not that the experiences you have would be any less valid or worthwhile, just, a little more down-to-earth? |
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I was very sceptical at first as well. In fact I remember being told about it and dismissing it many times,despite early childhood experiences.
Then one day I had a really lucid dream and I started to still very sceptically investigate how real it was and if it really existed.
I went from book to book and none made much sense. This school's techniques were so simple anyone could try them and required no strange faculties and bizzarre rituals, just the basic concentration and awareness practices.
You have to develop the technique of course in order to gain the basic experience, which took me around a year. Without putting in the hard work and giving it a go, it will be almost impossible to prove, if you already have doubts about it, so it does require some will power and perserverance and patience. It may not happen overnight.
I know where you are coming from though. For a long time I thought to myself, I can understand how dreams can come from my subconscious and reflect my thoughts and emotions, but I never actually believed I could learn to wake up there and walk around the place and call for spiritual beings to guide me.
It took me a while to get to this point, and to be convinced this was possible and something real. You can learn to wake up in the astral or in your dreams and pull your finger or jump to see if you float. Woken up and seeing yourself floating or your finger half a meter long say for instance, will prove you are consciously not in the physical plane in that moment. It may only last a second or two but it does prove you can be conscious there. Then you can develop your ability to be conscious there further if you chose.
Obviously the more experience you gain there the more believable and real the astral becomes. It is by its very nature a very intuitive and hard to grasp plane in a solid way initially, if we are mainly used to experiencing the physical solid world where everything is easily seen and touched,smelt and so on.
Join Date: 2003-09-21
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The hard part of it is that we have to experience it to know that it is possible. A person who has managed to experience the astral plane knows that it exists, and that's impossible for someone who haven't experienced it. It's the same with pain, only you know how much it hurts, knowbody else can know it. If we want to experience the astral world we need to practice the techniques taught on the courses. They are free and you can quit at any time if you don't like them. Good luck!
Anders
Join Date: 2004-07-18
Forum Posts: 292
I think it's quite natural to have doubts about a lot of things. There are so many things out there that science alone would refute. There are several ingroup/outgroup conflicts and biases toward many things. People have their beliefs, values and own set of standards that they are used to. Each of these people say that their thoughts and beliefs are true. Some may even argue that their knowledge is far superior than any other belief. But how can one be sure if it's really the truth and not based on intellectual dissertations memorized on pg. 111? Can we really believe that something is true because someone had written a book about it? Or should we just take someone's word and believe that Astral Projection is really possible?
You need to decide how much effort you would like to put forth in investigating the truth. How important is it for you to know that truth? Look within and evaluate your reasons for wanting to know that truth.
"We need to learn how to direct voluntarily all the functioning of our psyche. It is no good getting converted into slaves. We must become masters of ourselves."
VM Samael Aun Weor
Every night we venture into the Astral, what we are aiming for is to have conscious experiences that can give us the answers to the questions we ask. With Astral Projection, this is possible, and we can learn so many things! With every experience, we develop faith and we come closer and closer to discovering the real truth. We must decide whether we want to...and we must be determined to succeed. Not because someone else says it's a great experience but because you've decided that it is for you. "We must become masters of ourselves."
Best Regards.
Join Date: 2004-02-08
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As much as I'd like to believe that we can really take journeys out of our bodies, I have major doubts.
Don't you think it's more likely that when you AP you enter a state of self-hypnosis or simply fall asleep without knowing it? Not that the experiences you have would be any less valid or worthwhile, just, a little more down-to-earth?
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When you AP or dream for that matter the physical body is asleep. I'm confused at what you mean by either being asleep or self-hynotized making things more 'down-to-earth'?
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I understand where you are coming from, I was there too. So I researched A.P. as much as possible. I have gone through dozens and dozens of different web sites on the topic. I've found some that have scientific evidence that it exists, others with communities of people who share there experiences, etc. AP has been in practice since the time of the Ancient Egyptians, and even long before that.
All of this lead me to 2 conclusions:
Either AP exists and it just takes practice to accomplish it, or there has been a worldwide hoax going on for thousands of years.
But I still didn't believe it because I couldn't do it. But that was until I had the "Vibrations" that you hear so much about. And then, 2 days ago, I sucessfully projected out of body for a short amount of time. Now, if someone were to ask me if I believe in it or not, I would tell them I can't not believe it. Like Anders said, I can't not believe in pain.
That goes with EVERYTHING you KNOW yabyum. You can never truly know or understand something that you haven't experienced yourself.
This is what advice I have to offer, keep at it...You don't have to believe in it 100% but you do have to try 100%.
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what do you mean when you say "lucid dream"?
It seems to me that if you have realized you were dreaming, you already woke up in the Astral :) In that case, well done!
There are several things we can do to verify we are in the Astral, like pulling a finger and see if it stretches, or jumping with intention to fly. We need to remember to do it, though. To stay aware in the dream, one of the best things to do is practicing the awareness throughout the day, by doing those same "reality checks".
Regards,
Andrea