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MacOg
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Traditional christianity rebuke magic, the church and bible are against it from what i read, yet gnosticism is full of magic. Please explain, is that all to do with some kind of forgery in the bible or something???? |
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Join Date: 2005-08-17
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From what i can understand, Magic is at the esoteric root of all religion whether its Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sihkism, etc.
When religion's first start they had a practical focus where an awakened Master led a movement. Part of this practical focus included forms of authentic White Magic which is spoken about in myths and parables throughout many different religious texts.
Like most religions, Christianity eventually abandoned its practical roots and became a fanatical organisation in which people merely believed rather than trying to verify things for themselves.
My guess is that somewhere along the line, one of the Christian Clerics/Bishops declared all magic as heresy and changed Christianity into what it is today.
Kind Regards,
Dave.
Join Date: 2006-12-10
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People don't want to think of themselves as capable of 'supernatural' ability, and would rather muddle in the uncertainty of the flesh.
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magic is a holy science. hidden truth that is available to any True Seeker.
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Well, I think it's safe to say that European countries have produced some of the most spiritually smothering and secular idealogies known to mankind. It can't all be coincidence. Many factions of the broad culture put flesh and termporal existence above many other higher things. Yes, there are very spiritual people and cultures all throughout the west in its history, but the historical strength (and sometimes curse) has been secular achievement -- sometimes at all costs. Many western countries boast of worldly power and progress, while other areas were more concerned with matters of the mind and soul.
BTW, I'm mostly European-American myself. I like to think of myself spirit-first, but often find my ideals and interests align more with eastern and other cultures. I do have strong affinity for nordic folk traditions, as well as Christianity. I wouldn't consider myself anti-western to any degree, but at the same time, I recognize "my" region produced many "contributions" that tend more towards masking humanity's spiritual identity, in favor of worldly luster. I know other regions have had their fair share of secularity, but westerners are generally credited for most of the "modern mind" way of thinking -- like "man's merely a machine with a fixed duration of existence", "go by logic, throw away faith", etc..
Then again, some people tend to find the most fault with what they are most familiar with, so maybe I'm doing just that.
Join Date: 2006-04-16
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But does this really matter? There's magic, and there's magic. I can see why they'd ban magic for selfish ends. I can't, however, see how you could progress spiritually without some help from mantras, visualisation, various spirits, saints, deities, etc.
A set of spiritual beliefs that forbids practical realization and relies on a mere intellectual understanding of "God" will not get us very far. Sure, a writer like C.S Lewis (on Christianity) can encourage people to become more humble, etc, but that's about it. The Bible can help with this, but you need help to discover its FULL meaning.
I guess it's a bit unfair. I can see how people could go through many lives without even coming into contact with the right knowledge, and even then, not have enough encouragement or assistance to help them apply it.
I like the old master/disciple way of learning. Despite the printing press, TV, internet, etc, I still think this is valid today. Intellectual animals need more than just a guidebook, I think, to help us really progress.
We're always going to learn from what we see in our immediate environment, and sadly, we're in a pretty materialistic age right now. It seems that everything exists to drag you down and make you focus on banal creature comforts. There's glimmers of light, but they're often diluted as teachers try to reach out to as many people as possible (on the net, for example). Even universities today feel like information machines, processing students and dishing out the sort of info you can get out of a book (which is where you end up learning anyway).
In the end, it's up to us to apply what we learn, and this is ALWAYS difficult. Knowledge in and of itself is meaningless. Discerning the RIGHT knowledge is also difficult. I trust that the info given here is correct, but how will I ever know unless I apply it?
Join Date: 2004-02-21
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I don't really see where the bible is supposed to forbid it, as it
is really full of magic. See for example what Moses did, the miracles that
Jesus did, etc. All of this are examples of magic, things that can not
be explained with the contemporary science.
jonny
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Join Date: 2003-12-19
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I think there is a difference with kinds of magic that determine what side it belongs to.
I understand that white magic is performed through the "Father" and rest is likely black.
All the magic in the bible and in practices here are carried out in prayer in some way really.
I guess it would be a "sin" if it (like a money spell for example) went against divine will, as it would bypass karmic laws or who knows whatever else and caused repercussions.
Examples of white magic are asking the divine for help with healing or protection or whatever else, if it doesn't happen then so be it. We've all heard of prayers answered and miracles - I think they are common examples of white magic.
I also vaguely remember reading in the bible that Jesus or Moses said they didn't have the power but their Father or God did...
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James N. Chambers, Jr.
IN OTHER WORDS,
Traditional Orthodox Christianity doesn't like us. But....it's not the people's fault. They are merely following traditions from the early Fathers of the established church in Rome when it was in power...(not to put down Catholics....I know a lot of good Catholics). But......at some point in soul growth....tradition gives way to "the heart."
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James N. Chambers, Jr.
BUT HERE IS THE PROBLEM I THINK
How many of you have been to a pentecostal/charismatic church before? Did you know the same power of manifestations that they have is the same we are talking about on this web? Think of the teachings of some of the modern day charismatic leaders....."Say that you have it and it shall be manisfested in the physical." Aren't we doing similar things.
But here's the problem.....RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE! That has weakened the effectiveness of it.
What is also taught? You've got to believe the way we believe or you're wrong! Have any of you heard that before? So, there are divisions everywhere.....
Pentecostals say...."You've got to speak in tongues" (not to put tongues down.....)
Baptist say...."Tongues are of the devil."
Catholics have been known to say...."In order to have full salvation you've got to be a Catholic."
Church of Christ (not the liberal sect) says..."You must belong to the Church of Christ and be baptized into the Church of Christ in order to receive salvation."
Magic has been taught to many as being evil. Many have not researched into what it is or what the real truth of the matter is. They teach only what they were taught.
I've concluded.....we must find and experience the truth for ourselves.....and there is so much love on the planet to assist us.
Peace!