Belzebuub - Mark Pritchard

Belzebuub - Mark Pritchard

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Wed, 09/10/2008 - 07:52
Worldbridger

Join Date: 2008-09-02
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I'm very new to gnosticweb so try to be patient with my question if you are offended by it.   I have watched some of Belzebuub on youtube and I have to say that he is somewhat less than inspiring, so much so that I was unable to watch more than about 5 minutes of his humming and umming and looking all over the room and asking questions like a grade five teacher.   What am I missing?   I would have thought that anyone who could do what he claims to have done in his short bio online would have some kind of sparkle in the eye at least.   

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Wed, 09/10/2008 - 08:03
Woods

Join Date: 2008-04-17
Forum Posts: 42

know that his eyes are your own, and you will see the sparkle. peace and <3 always

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Wed, 09/10/2008 - 08:50
Jim B.

Join Date: 2004-05-28
Forum Posts: 1009

The scientologists have Tom Cruise, he's got a pretty sparkle...

You'll know the tree by its fruit. Masters are people too, they've lived the life of a person, he's a real person, you can't judge people like that, from a couple videos, because you don't like the way someone looks....... You're here to learn about spirituality, how to apply it in your own life, I would think in spirituality then those kinds of thoughts and judgments don't really have a place, but that's up to you to decide. I, as well as many others, will attest that the fruit is good, but again that's up to you to see for yourself, in yourself...

Best wishes,
Jim

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Wed, 09/10/2008 - 09:17
Dusty

Join Date: 2007-11-02
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What am I missing?

Good question and great job for looking around and being investigative. The answer, I think is experience. Just keep with it here. Pay attention to the exercises in your class. I'm giving you advice from my own experience. Really get into the exercises, question when something comes up and just keep doing the exercises no matter what. Then, later, you'll see something different.

Dusty

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Wed, 09/10/2008 - 10:13
Andy

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Join Date: 2003-09-22
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When I first met Mark Pritchard and heard him talk, I was half surprised by what a normal guy he was. He didn't tell us profound things or speak in parables, or anything like that, at least not in the way you expect. He was the type of person who would just go completely unnoticed as a normal guy if you encountered him in a store or on the street.

However, he was emphasizing practice and helping us to get awareness right. He wasn't trying to convince us of anything or assert himself as anything, he was just trying to get us to practice, to experiment to get it right (you can see these talks on his website - the Quebec 2004 ones). He also spoke about things which I had experienced myself already that no one could know about or speak about in the way he did unless they had practiced and experienced them as well, so I knew at least that this was someone who wasn't just copying or repeating what other people said, or making things up.

Personally, although I know there is a desire within me that a spiritual person should act a certain way or say certain things, I try not to allow those ideas or expectations about how I think things should be to stand in the way of reality, whatever that may be.

I've decided that if I don't know what a spiritual person is really like (not having been one myself), then I guess I have to wait on my judgment until I find out for myself. What Gnosis has taught me is that I need to try to work to apply spirituality to my life so I can find out what it really is, and what it is really like to be a spiritual person.

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Wed, 09/10/2008 - 10:29
Dusty

Join Date: 2007-11-02
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Personally, although I know there is a desire within me that a spiritual person should act a certain way or say certain things, I try not to allow those ideas or expectations about how I think things should be to stand in the way of reality, whatever that may be.

Well put Andy. Boy, did I have to find that out the hard way! lol

Dusty

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Wed, 09/10/2008 - 10:30
Worldbridger

Join Date: 2008-09-02
Forum Posts: 44

Interesting responses so far. 

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Wed, 09/10/2008 - 10:58
Mauricio

Join Date: 2005-05-29
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I second what have been posted so far. In my opinion, that which is truly inspiring simply can not fit in a video, a talk, and words. We can't understand what the bliss that we are capable of experiencing right now in this very moment is. We have to go for it to get inspired, by actually feeling it for ourselves. And how amazing will it be? How it is to experience the indescribable? It’s impossible to figure it out. We have to go for it. And then, as we experience we begin to understand what is talked about in words.

To be honest, I've experienced this in the moments where I've put the most effort and practice. And to consider that what I've felt is just a very incipient form compared to the full peace of the consciousness, motivates me to strive for it and focus on bringing about that revolution.

As Dusty said, it’s actually a great idea to focus on the exercises, and techniques; gradually improving as we see the mistakes that we do and the results that we see.

If you are not in a course, then the advice is to try the courses out, and hopefully you’ll see with practice and experience. :)

Best wishes

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Wed, 09/10/2008 - 11:12
Julie-de-Montreal

Join Date: 2008-09-01
Forum Posts: 26

 

 

Hi Worldbridger !

 

I understand what you felt, because some times, in the past, I have tought the same thing as you, because I was used to see lecturers in the field of Humoristic Shows, of Pseudo-Esoteric Psychology, or of pseudo masters of India (men and women) with a big smile on face, always talking of love, but unable to teach to people the real tools than can liberate us from the Cycles of Births and Deaths.

 

Belzebuub from my point of view is in a state of consciousness so different of us, with a deep peace and real Love in his heart, that it's not necessary to him to make a lot of jokes and smile in talking. He is very very calm and very attentive to every little thing all around him.

 

People who talk with a lot of jokes are often very bad inside of them, and humor is sometimes a compensation for their inner anxiety. A lot of smiles, is also a way, sometimes, to try to be loved by people because we don't feel love of ourselves, inside. And talking et moving rapidly in speaking is also, sometimes, a mark of interior stress, of fear, of insatisfaction.

 

Another thing also: Belzebuub is a great master, but he is also a student, because the Gnostic Path conduct until the Absolute, and he is now on the Third Mountain, the last part that conduct initiates to Absolute, and this is a really really hard work to do (if you don't know what is the path of the "Three Mountains", you can read the book of the same name on the section "Books" of the website, in the books of Samael).

 

So, every day, Belzebuub helps the gnostic students with teachings and clarifications, and a lot of details of organisation (wordly), but in the same time, in his personnal work, he climbs the Third Mountain and makes a lot of efforts to do that, and he coordonnates a Spiritual School (This International Gnostic Shool), of about 60 000 students.

 

Do you have an idea of the responsabilities on his schoulders ?

 

And, because he is awakened, he is always conscious, on the day, and on the night, on the astral plan, and the other plans over the astral plan. He works, helps, teaches, transforms himself 24 hours on 24 !

 

So, with all that, he is completely different of other spiritual teachers who take a lot of vacations regularly, who sleep on every night, who live like Kings with a lot of money (because they sell their teachings) and many servants in their personal life, and... who will die like anybody, and reincarnate like almost anybody, who don't know the Gnostic path.

 

Belzebuub is very humilde, calme and cares a lot about many, many people around him, and every where in this planet, in the different countries (in the day, and in the night).

 

So take time to discover him, and to discover all his work, his school, his way... and you will look at him differently.

 

Sincerly,

 

Julie

 

(Excuse my english, I speak french.)

 

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Wed, 09/10/2008 - 11:20
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Join Date: 2008-03-18
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Vous ecriture anglais, c'est bien, ne pouvoir pas dire meme pour mes pauvres francais D:

I do not really know much about Belzebuub, but he seems fine from what I've seen/heard of him. His audios don't appeal to me much either, but the few times I've listened he has given some good advice on some matters. Being new to all this, and not having the opportunity to meet him in person, I am obviously wary of his claim to mastery and that is on my to-do list for the astral, but he seems to have good intentions, and some useful info.

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Wed, 09/10/2008 - 12:08
Vadim

Join Date: 2004-11-30
Forum Posts: 2930

Hi Worldbridger,

welcome to Gnosticweb!

Oh, for me Belzebuub is so inspiring, I like so much the way he teaches.

Well, thanks for sharing with your perspective...maybe you'll change your look at it later, maybe you won't...we are all different. Thanks for sharing anyway...
Just one thing I can suggest, if you have not done it already, try to watch his videos from awareness.

Best wishes,