I find the kind of love that includes wishes of wellbeing, or a sort of wish that they accomplish their best to be without fault. It's a way of seeing clearly what the best someone can be is and wishing it for them. Watch what you're telling yourself when you have that feeling. Is it: "my wife and kids are so perfect, I love them"? If so, you'll run into problems when they're not perfect. I would like to know what others think of this topic, however, as I'm not very confident in my experience with this (it hasn't been wholly clear to me).
-Julian

Hi guys,

I look at the "love" relationships around me and all I see is FEAR. Sometimes the examples are so stunning that I wonder how can people call this imprisonment love. Then I'd ask myself what is the basis of their relationship, and when the obvious answer is egos- similarities in lust, pride, fear etc. I realize that one couldn't possibly expect different outcome.

It is so sad seeing how we deceive ourselves like this, thinking that we know all about the person next to us, thinking that we know ourselves and how things go...and thinking this is just how love goes.

All this reminds me how seriously a person should go into a relationship, and that it is not only a joyful experience but a big responsibility as well. To learn how to love, we have to let go so much negativity out of us and bring at least some order and stability within.

I think love is universal, if you have that beautiful sensation within your heart you can't say it is only reserved for this or that person, it is like a light that shines at everything.

I have a favourite quote about love: "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, It is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always preserves."

Maybe things can be put this way: To be able to love one person, we need to love everyone else.

what do you think?

I think we sometimes have a lot of conditions around that perfect thing called Love..

Pavlin I love that bible verse

Peace and Love

Hi. This is a good topic. I realize one has to know their own true self, and love oneself, before you can Love anyone else because it's all connected on deeper levels.

I see what Vadim said, many people I know are so fearful that so-and-so will leave them or they are so insecure to the point they adulterate themselves, etc...

Love to me is Divine and perfect.
A specific psychological identity, one or any whose nature is that of selfish desires, can and is easily mistaken for Love, but it is not it.

The ego, the selfishness, knows no Love. It can not possibly comprehend the truth because true Love is found from the being, not with an ego or a mistaken idea or identity with a particular concept just because it makes sense intellectually in one's own confused mind.

It's sad for me to continue to observe a man and woman who say they are in Love, but clearly are not. They fight. Each one has a specific identity, a certain psychological attachment to an idea of Love which they hold as truth. When the other does not fit this idea the interest in entertaining it is lost.
They may proclaim “the spark is gone” etc... it is because the ego can not acquire it's specific identity in the other person anymore. There is no satiating the selfish idea any longer.

Kind how Belzebuub talked of how lust might bring two people together and how nature might and after things fall apart because of selfishness, only remaining "selves" are there to battle it out.
There is no self, or selfishness, to be found within true Love.

I agree with Tony. A person who says they are in Love, yet complains about their spouse's particular behavior or vice, does not Love them. They are a slave to their identity with their own particular idea of Love, and/or one's own Anima or Animus.
That type of person knows no Love in truth whatsoever. They posses a consciousness that can not comprehend this. I don't like observing that in the world but that's the way things are and it's terrible.

I can't really say I know what it's like to actually have a spouse who understand's real Love. I can imagine it's pretty awsome and how lucky alot of people are that do, and still take it for granted.

There are many kinds of love, is what I think.

Some loves lead to action, some to observation, some to lust and anger and remorse.

One love can make you kind and helpful and another kind of love can make you jealous and harmful.

You can't go by love, this I know.

A human being has to gain self-knowledge. Real self-knowledge is the greatest blessing for the greatest feeling, love.

Self-knowledge leads to knowledge of others, and that leads to enlightened love. That is the really all-round good love.

But whatever kinds there are, they are here and happening and they keep the world turned on! Good luck, hearts . . .

Can we love unconsciously? Can robot love?

I think that they are some good questions Vadim.
Peace and Love..

Divine Mother had shown this essence something about a year ago that will now be shared to all the brotherhood.  It is about the "I," "me," "myself," "we," etc.  It has to do with the verses of the Bible that say that the main thing people of this world struggle with is "the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life."

This essence had been made aware of the deceptivenes of the ego (self) through a lot of pain while realizing this pain was a direct attack of a devil in my wisdom tooth (earth shattering pain).  Also, a lot of rejcetion with work.

It had been learned that this society was predisposed to bringing its inhabitants to be misled by the eyes (desire of many shapes and forms, sitmulatory things, shocking things, etc) and, through it brought people to desire things.  Also, through the flesh, this society brought its people to seek pleasures through the body (food, drugs, various other means), and finally, through pride, which consists of the very essence of the "I" as it was what brought the devil to fall.  The devil was "aware of the self."

Therefore, this revelation brought God's essence (or vessel) to eliminate the ego in speech, thereby lessening its power.  As the Scriptures have said, "the power of life and death is in the tongue."  Through faith, this vessel (former "I") removed the first signular pronoun from speech and was awakened to a new world, a new consiousness.

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Apakhana,

You have some very good points ...Very insightful !