jahfonde
Join Date: 2008-02-02
Forum Posts: 347 |
yeah, would you?
like, i believe there is the highest conscience, thy creator, so i do believe in god. (although i'd rather call it something else*
but i dont like the bible, neither any religion, for some reason and i dont agree with worshiping, because i think we are put here- strictly business, as in to for fill our mission or lesson, on this dimension, i dont think there is a need to worship, it would be unnecessary.
whilst one prays, on end, he could be actually doing inner-works, for spiritual purpose, for example.
not that im here to judge, nor have a right to, but im just saying, i dont think a creator, would send us here, to pray to it/her/him, that would be silly, i just cant see the necessity, a waste of time.
i dont think one should ever worship an outside source of any kind, before themselves, like if anything, you'd better off pray to your inner being, thus connecting yourself, to your divine of mother / father, right through to the issness, right?
ive heard a catholic tell some one, theyd be banished to hell, iff theyd keep being atheist... RUBBISH, total coswollop! if a catholic is really, truely so caring to others, /to god, he'd/she'd NEVER threaten a lower state of being to another, but try and bring the "atheist" to a mind set, that holds no beleifs at all, because thats totally foul to say, no matter the reason, nobody even has a right to judge a murderer, absolutely nobody, just simply because we're not required to, and its not our concern, and i think its a slap in the face, for some one to think, the god/issness would literally send, a being, to "hell" for the he/shes bad deeds" a being of love would not do such a thing, what a god, or any one, would do is bring that bad deeder, to hes/her level, or higher, no matter how long it took.
ending up in a hell-like place, is only the product of ones own energies, thoughts, feelings, experience, reaction & understanding, thus, theyll just enter a dimensional region, that better suits there intellect, (there state of conscience, perception), to learn from there capacity, and eventually upwards and onwards, in to a better state, better being,
better being = better state, better state = better dimensionial level, its just simply, the way it is, and the way you end up, its not that hard to understand, if what im saying, comes close to being correct.
Im interested in hearing your opinions on this:
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Join Date: 2005-01-26
Forum Posts: 1035
I think I agree with you.
I grew up Baptist and there's nthing really there for me. Secular religion is for people looking for something but they don't know what yet. It's not real good, but not terribly bad either.
There's beleivers and there are knowers. If anyone is going to make that tranisiton into gnosis they MUST dissolve any belief whatsoever. That includes their belief in things like God (it's obvious there is a creator but...) and what they've been told about it, because that still limits you towards coming to know what it (God) really is, the verb of Being. You can't realize you're own "I am" until you let go of even believing you understand what that means, because it is something you experience.
All those religions atart out talking about the same thing but in their own way through their own archetypes. Sooner or later, no one know what they are talking about because they start believing instead of knowing.
Join Date: 2003-09-22
Forum Posts: 62
I don't think anyone here would ridecule you for having your own opinions.
What i think is important is to not be set in stone with what you think is real and be ready to adopt new concepts of your own reality through what you can experience through astral and psychological experiences.
Its also important not to dismiss religion though, as Samael said "All religions are pearls on the golden thread of divinity"
All religions did once have all that one needed to walk the path, but through time, and human opinions that changed and formed new sects, beliefs, groups and followings. This is based on blind faith not working through experience, i think this is why the astral is so important, so we can verify things. We can still learn things from these groups, they still tell us about the mind and egos they way they work and also symbols in the ancient texts that relate back to what we study now which for me seeing the same thing in all these ancient texts helps me, gives strength.
Before i found gnosis i was really deterred by christianity in general, and labelled it by the actions of fathers and ministers in churches, but i see much further than the surface now what their intention is which a lot of them are genuinly trying to help others and be good to mankind so even though in MY opinion that ritual christianity leads nowhere, a lot of them still dedicate their lives to helping people weather it be spiritually or in the street, and i admire that (not as much as a true master, but still).
We can only know so much about ourselves and actions without self awareness so how can we expect anyone of any religion to know better? They suffer just like the rest of us, trying to find peace the only way they know how amongst a hurricane of egos
Join Date: 2008-07-28
Forum Posts: 26
I once got banned from a christian forum ( get this) for defending a cahtolic womans right to her faith lol How insane is that, seems God doesn't like Catholics ;-0
I was also told that my sister was in hell for commiting suicide, and that my father did not go to heaven if he did not attend churcch on a regular basis ( can you imagine such arrogance?) yes!! because we think we are suppose to know everything because that is what structured relgion does to us inclusive/ exclusive, your in your out .... blah blah
personally I do not believe God or Christ even comes close to the God and Christ preached today... especially in terms of mercy and forgivness...
I have decided that whatever it is that lights illuminates my way, is inside of me, everything else is outside of me and it is there for hobby purposes only
yes I believe in Christ, this is one of the bible beliefs I have carried my whole life, although i have turned my back on "church"
I also believe the bible makes perfect sense on a shelf but the minute we get our hands on it , it becomes all complicated... sometimes i dont believe we are even evolved enough to undertand the bible
I don't think any of us are there yet....
Beyond all our right doings and wrong doings
there is a field I will meet you there
Rumi
Join Date: 2005-01-26
Forum Posts: 1035
Every religion is trying to describe those things. Some do it better than others and none deserve ridicule.
With a deeper understanding of occulted spiritual sciences and experienceing them directly through practices, we can come to know what God (the verb of Being) really is, and what relation the Christ (Atman-Buddhi-Manas/Chesed-Geburah-Tipharet) has with it. There is then no need for belief.
If you maintain belief, you never bother to come to experience these things through direct knowledge and that is why belief is terribly limiting and poison to the consciousness.
Join Date: 2007-12-04
Forum Posts: 133
Hi
I agree with you in that I do not believe in the bible or religion. There have been fighting and wars over religion. I do believe some of the commandments are good but I am not sure about the rest because I do not remember them. Some people try to scare other people by saying if you do not believe then you will go to hell. I believe in trying to be a good person, treating other people well as you would like to be treated. I tend to find relligions have man made rules to suit themselves. I do not judge people. I let them think what they want. I do not talk to people about this subject as I do not want to upset them. This is the first time I have expressed my views.
Sally
Join Date: 2005-01-26
Forum Posts: 1035
I am gratefull we have things like gnosticweb to discuss such matters because I understand, like you, that you really have to watch what you talk about with people out and about in the world.
I think that staying guarded, although not that difficult in a sense of actually doing it, is a bad thing that is somehat bothersome because so many people are just not open to spirituality to begin with.
It says alot about the state the world is in and the ever increasing need for the key to help others spiritually.
Join Date: 2007-05-30
Forum Posts: 296
I think that this is a wonderful discussion..
I just wanted to add a quote ..
I am God and God is me ..
We are one in the same ..
If you said that in a church you might get the same reaction Jesus got more than 2000 years ago..
Peace and Love
Join Date: 2006-07-03
Forum Posts: 114
I'm being rather hypocritical in posting this. I have lately given up daily worship out of (mere) "tiredness", and here I am eager to write about some of its positives. Also, once again (having dropped the work), here I am willing to talk about spiritual topics without really taking spirituality seriously. :) :/
I have found worship to be linked with almsgiving in the Quran. Real almsgiving (alsmsgiving with no forseeable return) is referred to as "lending Allah a goodly loan". This reminds me a bit about a sort of story where a higher being takes the form of pauper to test someone.
73:20. [...] and establish worship and pay the poor due and (so) lend unto Allah a goodly loan. Whatsoever good ye send before you for your souls, ye will surely find it with Allah, better and greater in the recompense. And seek forgiveness of Allah. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Almsgiving and worship are an exercise in humility and sincerity. The fool would tend to think things like "God is in need of my worshipping" or "God needs my money for loan". The matter is set straight in 29:6:
24:41. Hast thou not seen that Allah, He it is Whom all who are in the heavens and the earth praise; and the birds in their flight? Of each He knoweth verily the worship and the praise; and Allah is Aware of what they do.
29:1. Alif. Lam. Mim.
29:2. Do men imagine that they will be left (at ease) because they say, We believe, and will not be tested with affliction?
29:3. Lo! We tested those who were before you. Thus Allah knoweth those who are sincere, and knoweth those who feign.
29:4. Or do those who do ill-deeds imagine that they can outstrip Us? Evil (for them) is that which they decide.
29:5. Whoso looketh forward to the meeting with Allah (let him know that) Allah's reckoning is surely nigh, and He is the Hearer, the Knower.
29:6. And whosoever striveth, striveth only for himself, for lo! Allah is altogether Independent of (His) creatures.
Some things in the Quran are such that I suppose the way to progress to develop faith regarding them would be see them written down for onself in the higher dimensions. Surah 21 is called The Prophets. I have already quoted verses from this in two topics I think.
21:30. Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe?
21:101. Lo! those unto whom kindness hath gone forth before from Us, they will be far removed from thence.
21:102. They will not hear the slightest sound thereof, while they abide in that which their souls desire.
21.103. The Supreme Horror will not grieve them, and the angels will welcome them, (saying): This is your Day which ye were promised;
21.104. The Day when We shall roll up the heavens as a recorder rolleth up a written scroll. As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it. (It is) a promise (binding) upon Us. Lo! We are to perform it.
21.105. And verily we have written in the Scripture, after the Reminder: My righteous slaves will inherit the earth:
Join Date: 2004-01-08
Forum Posts: 296
How can one agree or disagree with something which is not known?
Join Date: 2008-07-24
Forum Posts: 33
The establishment of religion, as this essence was brought up Baptist, has moments where consciousness is stumbled upon, but it is usually by accident.
Having been proved that the establishment of any particular organization that views its practices as more important than knowing God has led this essence away from organized religion even though beauty can still be found in it.
A more personal pursuit has been something this essence has adapted of God.
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