Hi Jeff,

I was brought up in a Baptist school and attended Baptist things like Awanas and such. Most of what they endoctrine revolves around John's teachings as well as Yeshua's and places him as setting the stage for Yeshua as you mentioned, but they can only speculate on what the Christ in Abermentho/Yeshua actually is. Sadly, like most any church, people argued over their own opinion and intepretation within it's infrastructure.

I have never encountered John and don't know him personally. I am pretty stuck in the organism I wear and it's hard enough to access the realms where your questions can be answered. One is then left to ask questions among peers and the answers recieved depend on who you ask because different things are taught and different lessons are accepted as truth, when no one knows anything.

To me, John the Baptist is nothing like Eckhart Tolle, Joseph Campbell or Carl Jung.

The way I have come to adopt the archetype of John is that he opens the way for something, the Christ. He is an initiator. He is the work involved in preparing for the Solar voltage and is not just a provider or teacher of introductory gnosis or elementary spiritualism. The initiate must have died to themselves.
They must be decapitated. They must be reborn in Christ to recieve the Solar mysteries.
(A Judaic parallel is probably Esau, although that's just a suggestion and I am not familiar with that part of history).

You are right, messages are corrupted and truths are obscured by selfishness.

Also, we have to keep in mind that what people are studying today is a corrupted version of history set in place by Roman politicians.

"Personally I believe that he was devine in some way. "

- It's no good to believe anything but I understand your comprehension of the history you were taught has led you to your postition.

The only way to find the truth is to experience it and to ask Master Aberamentho regarding his teaching directly in the astral, but that is easier said than done.

So the real message of "Jesus" will never be know by reading about it, or found by asking of a church of confused minds that argue over their own mistaken interpretation. It is a gnosis one has to realize and experience. To me it does no good to believe or doubt anyone, John, Judas, Yeshua, Mr. Pritchard, Mr. Amortegui, Mr. Gomez, etc... No one should place any concern too deep in speculating about truth.

It will certainly be interesting to take the History of Gnostic Christianity course here.

Thank you for your help apakhana,

I am new to this work, I have only completed the Self discovery work so far and a number of meditation sessions.

So I must ask, who is Master Aberamentho?

Thanks for your insight.

It is interesting how little Gnostics talk about John The Baptist both in the past and the present.

Jeff

Hi Jeff,

"Is it Samael Aun Weor or Robolu, who set the ground work for Master Beelzebuubs work?"

A part of the work of Divine Beings is to modify the message of the Masters of the past, so it is fresh again and is not a set of beliefs followed by fanatics and so that those who are interersted, can practically follow the teaching and to actually change themselves and become Divine Beings.

Rabolu came after Samael Aun Weor and they were teachers of Belzebuub in the physical and in the astral ( Masters can still teach in the astral after leaving their physical bodies).
There was an established organization at that time and there was a way the teachings were spread to humanity, but Belzebuub had to change many things and start over again with the new organization, and it was a part of his spiritual work.

What I write here, I've learned from Belzebuub's "My Story" which you can read from his website.
Gnostic Wisdom course presents informaton which can make it all clearer.

Jesus was explained there to be a fully awakened Master who came here from Absolute with a specific mission to give up his life in a way to present a spiritual teaching.
On Belzebuub's website there are some videos about Jesus in Christian Gnosticism section of "Movies"

Regarding John the Baptist, if you have not seen it already, Samael Aun Weor mentions him in some of his works, for example in the Mystery of the Golden Blossom Chapter 11, "The Head of John".
Here is the link to his books
http://www.gnosticweb.com/last-books-of-samael-aun-weor

For me too, there are many things unclear about it at this point, but I guess it relates to my limitations at this stage, and actually a lot of it is not that relevant for me right now.
Also there is a coming course in Gnostic Christianity which may bring more light into this issue.

Kind wishes,

Thank you Vadim,

I realy enjoyed your perspective and information.

that point about fully awakened masters being here from the absolute is quite interesting. It makes me wonder who they may be. Was Jesus one of them? Was John the Baptist?

Recently I attended an open house at the Tibetan Buddhist temple in my Neighbourhood. I have always admired Buddhists and Buddhists monk in particular. Now i really wonder, after starting Gnosis, what value they really are. When I was there I saw a lot of superstitions, dogma, tradition and general Fanaticism.

I mention it because I also seriously doubted their claim of Yogis, Gurus, and Lamas who are supposed to have been reborn like 10 to 15 times. Yet they are caught up in this religion. I wonder if there is any truth to these claims.

The Golden Blossom would seem to indicate that John the Baptist was likely also a master, but I am not sure it is completely clear yet.

All the best

Jeff

Hey Jeff,

From what I know John represent the initiate before he incarnates the Christ. And his decapitation represents the death of the ego that is necessary for the Christ to enter. So it seems to me that John is someone who is doing the work and are at some fairly advanced stage. When you take the gnostic Wisdom course it will help you to understand the different stages of the path so you will have a clearer picture.

Stas

Stas,

Do you think he was a real person or is he just a metaphor? If he was a real person and he had his head cut off before finishing the work i guess that would mean he didn't reach masterhood and was reborn.

Thanks

Jeff

Hi Jeff,

Apparently John was a Master, but just representing a role in the whole 'cosmic drama' that is associated with Jesus' life (which you can read more about in the Gnostic Wisdom Course and in Samael's books). He was representing the initiate at a beginning stage of the work, before he incarnates the Christ, as Stas pointed out. "He must increase as I must decrease" - meaning the ego must reduce so that more divine parts of us, the Master and the Christ can manifest more and more fully within us.

He was a real person and actually got decapitated; however, as I mentioned, was just playing a role. So this doesn't mean that he wasn't a Master, didn't have the Christ within him already, etc. In fact, I'm sure he had to be quite advanced to be giving the teaching he was for all those years in the desert and to play such a difficult role.

Jordan

Thanks Jordan,

Is he still known to be active as a master?

All the Best

Jeff

Hi Jeff,

I haven't heard or looked into anything about that recently. We'll have to investigate that one personally :-)

Jordan

Thanks  to everyone for all your help,

I know there a lot of questions about potential masters, Paul of Tarsus being another one. 

I look forward to the Gnostic Wisdom course, of course I have to learn how calm my mind more first and how to fly.

Namaste