consequential laws regarding homosexuality?

I agree. I thought the whole "homosexuality is immoral" bit was only for religious fanatics. I was extremely disappointed to find traces of it here. If our soul is genderless, then how can homosexuality be immoral? Maybe sex in general is bad, but two people loving eachother should not be restricted by gender or sex.

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Hey Fella's, Yeah I had a hard time with this too when I first heard it. I was quite unbiased in my opinions regarding homosexuality. But the problems with the gnostic work arrive farther down the path when one needs to use Alchemy for spiritual advancement. Alchemy is the union of a man and a women. A positive and a negative. Together they create the neutral charge of the soul. Two negatives or two positives just doesn't do it. Its just the law of universe, and can't be worked around.
This doesn't mean that homosexuals can't advance spiritually, on the contrary they can do alot of work on the ego's etc.. to improve themselves, but at a certain they will run into the wall of needing a partner to continue the work.
Personally I think if any gay or lesbian person took the steps towards improvement that are outlined in the courses that when they reached a certain point, they'd be drawn back to positive/negative sexual orientation.
Also, there is karma involved. Kinda blows but we wouldnt be here without that universal principle.
All the best.

Homosexuality is explained in Belzebuub's book Secret Knowledge, Hidden Wisdom, as well as Alchemy. Yes Alchemy must take place between a man and a woman to work, just as Andrew pointed out. Two men can't make a baby, neither can two women, it's not a crime to point that out. The sexual energies are electrical, for the circuit to work properly it is just a fact it must be positive and negative. Homosexuals can change though, also as Andrew explained, so it's not like it's a judgment against something inherent to someone's being. It's like saying, you can't incarnate your Being if you're selfish. Well, then don't be selfish! It's not an unchangeable thing.

Hi JimB,

I was wondering if you think that explanation makes sense considering we change genders from life to life. If "they" look at us in the astral to watch our mannerisms, does that really add up?

Dusty

Ahoy!

Fish, you said that love should not be restricted by gender or sex. I think true love is not restricted by anything and unfortunately very few, if any, are capable of such loving.

I also think that too often we confuse love with our weaknesses. I think a person capable of true loving would love everyone equally as they are. But we choose to ‘love’ someone (over others) for his or her qualities, whether physical, intellectual or anything else that we are after and is attractive for us. Our ‘loving’ very often takes root from our defects/egos.

A partner will say ‘I love you so much’ every five minutes believing it is truth, but in fact he or she just thinks of themselves, since they feel good in a relationship, some may be even proud of having such and such partner, finally having dreams come truth, and they are not really concerned with their ‘loved’ one’s happiness.

I agree with Andrew. Each of us has plenty of things to overcome and as long as we really want to transform ourselves, if we work hard and do our best every day to get rid of the negativity within; we will gradually change and will be given whatever is necessary for us to progress spiritually.

May the Force be with you.

is homosexuality an ego? and ego that lusts for the same sex?

Dusty,

I don't think we tend to change genders from life to life, but besides that it's the nature of the energies and the egos that are being used in whatever gender body you are in.

When a Master throws a test they make the situation to where it's testing whatever they want it to test. For instance when the Master says he "swam like a shark" when in the ocean. Well that was just a representation of his willpower to get to the shore, it is that aspect that the Masters were interested in seeing. Also when Samael threw a brick wall in front of him to see if he was revolutionary, the brick wall itself carried the test for a specific aspect, the revolutionary aspect, to overcome difficulties, etc., so Belzebuub smashed straight through it. I'm sure every time the Master sees a brick wall he doesn't go up and smash it, but they weren't testing his reasoning skills or whatever, just throwing a very specific test on the nature of his essence.

If it still doesn't make sense to you Dusty, maybe just leave it for now, or bring up specific questions in the course forum :)

Jahfonde,

I'm not sure it's best to talk about it in the public forums. It's not really an ego exactly, but more of the nature of the lust egos and the energies themselves. The whole subject is probably best left to the appropriate course.

Hi Jahfonde,

Since it's talked about in Samael's books, I don't see why we can't discuss it on the public forums. If that's true, then his books shouldn't be available to the public.

I found the specific answer to your question in the book Yes, there is a hell, there is a devil and there is karma. It is on page 75 at the bottom through page 77. Please read that, it specifically answers your question.

http://www.gnosticweb.com/files/pdf/EN_Hell_Devil_And_Karma.pdf

Dusty