Hare Christo, Hare Ram

Hare Christo, Hare Ram

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Wed, 05/28/2008 - 09:29
Shivoham

Join Date: 2005-09-22
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I posted a question on the blog about the power of mantras workshop yesterday. Matija kindly offered me the source of the Mantra given by VM Samael 'Hare Christo, Hare Ram' and indeed, it is in 'The Perfect Matrimony' near the end. The mantras are used for astral projection, which is perfectly fine, makes sense. The words are all for the most part in Sanskrit, or at least annunciated so, like 'Copal' is more than likely 'Gopal', a name of Bhagavan Krishna as the Divine Cowherd, or 'Hare Murare', when pronounced with the right pronunciation--a latin, or Indo-European 'r', is actually synonymous with 'Hare Mu Radhe', a common praise to Krishna's wife Radha as a manifestation of Shakti on earth. They were indded a divine couple, Radhe Krishna.

But one thing really stuck out, and Ive seen it before in VM Samael's work. He refers to Goddesses Saraswati, Lakshmi and Parvati, the three wives (Shaktis, energies, natures, prakritis) of Lords Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva respectively, as Masters...calls them He's, when they are She's! Well, saying this is rather silly, since Lakshmi is to Vishnu as the light is to the sun, more so inseparable, one in essence, multiple aspects of the same being, Father and Mother, in this case, of the Sephira Chokmah, the Christic principle.

VM Samael affirms this quite well, that Saraswati-Brahma is the Father (Kether), Lakshmi-Vishnu is the Son (Chokmah) and Parvati-Shiva is the Holy Spirit (Binah), their son Ganesh being Daath, Tantric Knowledge. For this in the Mystery of the Golden Blossom is the ninth sphere called the laboratorium of the Holy Spirit, or something to that effect. Their other son Murugan holds the esoteric spear, his Shaktis Will and Action. The Hindu Pantheon is replete with the symbols, they make me smile :)

I am just wondering, then, why the Master calls them male....of course I know I can go ask Him in the astral, but I am yet too ignorant for such things....hopefully someone can help out or at least offer some insight.

On the other hand, what does one call a woman who has attained mastery? Is this the case? VM Samael did explicitly call Sri Saraswati a he though, its in the book...much strength to all of you.

Shivoham

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Wed, 05/28/2008 - 10:05
Chris P

Join Date: 2003-09-22
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Hey Shivoham,

You mentioned how they are she's, and you are probably right, i think its just the way that Spanish is translated to English, in the introduction the translators note states that the masculine form relates to either sex, so i daresay that he does state they are female. Just technicalities of translating...
Correct me if I'm wrong?

Its a fantastic mantra though, when used correctly :-)
Hope that helps
Chris

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Wed, 05/28/2008 - 12:03
Vadim

Join Date: 2004-11-30
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That's interesting what you mention Shivoham!

I remember also there was something in the gospels when Jesus said that "he will make Mary Magdalene to become a man", or something like that...which obviously sounds confusing from our mundane point of view.

Perhaps it means that on the spiritual level Master is He, the active principle, whether female or male incarnates it.

From what I understand, in no way female or male are superior to each other...everyone is really passive whether it's she or he, unless the Path is walked through and Divine Parts are incarnated.

Thanks for sharing with your knowledge of mythology and Tree of Life...interesting stuff!

Best wishes,

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Wed, 05/28/2008 - 13:09
Apakhana

Join Date: 2005-01-26
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..."From what I understand, in no way female or male are superior to each other...everyone is really passive whether it's she or he, unless the Path is walked through and Divine Parts are incarnated."...

Yes!

Excuse my spelling which is usually wrong, but I recall a brief passage where Samael asked a Buddhist regarding Atman vs Buddhi and was shown to realize Atman and Buddhi complete each other. Neither is superior.

If I find the exact reference I'll p[ost it because the whole story is regarding this post's topic.

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Thu, 05/29/2008 - 10:13
Shivoham

Join Date: 2005-09-22
Forum Posts: 171

Thanks for the insight, many thanks. It is a very powerful excersize, highly recommend it :)

As an aside, if anyone who indeed wished to commune with Goddess Lakshmi would like some other powerful mantras, I know a few that are very beautiful:

"OM mahadevyai cha vidhmahe
Vishnu-patnyai cha Dhimahi
Tanno Lakshmi prachodayat OM" or

"I meditate on the great Goddess, the wife of Vishnu, and make a plea, Lakshmi, enlighten me unto the truth!"

and "OM Hreem Shree Lakshmi Bhyo Namaha"

Her Bija, her mantric essence in word form is "Shree"

blessings to all your practices

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Thu, 05/29/2008 - 11:56
Vadim

Join Date: 2004-11-30
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Thanks for sharing, Shivoham!

This mantra starts and finishes with OM...do you know why?

best wishes

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Thu, 05/29/2008 - 15:56
Shivoham

Join Date: 2005-09-22
Forum Posts: 171

Perhaps it is because all things begin and end with OM :P

lol I dont know, most mantras from India are pronounced this way, I have heard that this shares roots with the Egyptian incantation of 'Amen' which we often end our prayers with but not really begin...Ive heard Amen is the same as Om, or even as VM Samael has said, as the Aun in his name, the Aun Weor.

I have seen that OM is a very special mantra, it has many effects on many levels. The VM Samael Aun Weor has stated in one of his works that it makes the enrgies in the gonads resonate, and it makes the Ajna, the 'brow' chakra vibrate at the same time, it is then, a sound that issues forth the great ascension when the mind is focused properly.

It is also a name for the Most High, the Yogis worship God as the Divine Light, the consciousness, OM, the unspoken sound. This perhaps is why the Sanskrit name for the Heart Chakra is 'Anahata', unstruck. VM Samael has affirmed that theirin resides the innermost, the formless light that casts no shadow.

I have noticed something though, perhaps you can clarify. The Mantra O for intuition, or the heart, is idfferent from OM I think, this OM, when referenced in the Devangari syllabary, is 'Aum', but pronounced more like the mix between the vowels O and U, like in 'hope, I'd think, but I speak an American English, it might not work. Try singing O and then U in the same sound, youll find it right in the middle, it is particularly subtle, but very interesting and beautiful when you find it.

I dont know though....OM, AUM, O...i wonder what the connection between all of these is...I bought a poster in India that reads 'Aum sweet Aum' lol

Blessings, I am particularly fond of mantras, any interesting or particularly powerful suggestions are most welcome :)

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Thu, 05/29/2008 - 17:30
Paycus

Join Date: 2005-09-15
Forum Posts: 187

Is there a site or place where we can hear the full range of mantras to aid correct pronunciation?

Best wishes
Jackie

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Fri, 05/30/2008 - 03:05
Vadim

Join Date: 2004-11-30
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Thanks a lot for your answer, Shivoham!

One of the first basic mantras taught in Self-Discovery course is mantra "O", it serves to activate the heart chakra which corresponds to faculty of intuition.
There are variations of this mantra: "OM" and "ON" serving the same goal..."M" and "N" are explained to increase the effect of the mantra.

The Divine Mother, our spiritual part of us, the feminine aspect of our Being, is in the atom of the heart.

So if Lakshmi from Hindu pantheon is the same as Divine Mother from Gnosticism, then it makes a lot of sense to start a prayer to her from "OM" and finish it with "OM" too.
Also "M" relates to sexual energy, the sacred energy of creation, as well as Divine Mother.

But perhaps there are other explanations... that's why I asked...

Best wishes,

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Fri, 05/30/2008 - 22:38
stanovnik

Join Date: 2004-04-16
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Hey Shivoham,

Could you translate Hare Ram Hare Cristo mantra from the Perfect Matrimony? It is quite long mantra and I'm wondering what it means.

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Sat, 05/31/2008 - 13:40
Shivoham

Join Date: 2005-09-22
Forum Posts: 171

Hi Stanovik,

Ive actually been trying to for a while now, like i said earlier, the Sanskrit isnt translated very well, some words are mashed with others and spelled strange, and i think theres some non Sanskrit in there too....VM Samael Aun Weor used the golden language a lot in his mantras...Ive tried sounding it out and seeing what the words are, but my command over the language isnt strong enough for that, there might even be some Hindi or Panjabi in there too, but the most important thing is the

Hare Ram Hare Ram Ram Ram Hare Hare
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

This part is an affirmation for Christ within, in India this mantra is very popular for singing Bhajans (devotional songs) to Krishna and Rama, the last two Avatars of Lord Vishnu (before the Buddha). We can all see why the Hindus dont rly venerate Buddha as much...but know this, be conscious of the fact that Hare is a name for Shakti, the Goddess...every Male has its Female, every aspect of God has its Shakti.

Lakshmi is the Shakti for Vishnu, they are the Christis aspect of the Hindu Trinity. Hare Krishna, youre exclaiming the union of God and Goddess, Christically, within you.

The Yogis also say that Radhe is the Human soul, and that Krishna is the Divine soul, so chanting Hare Krishna celebrates the love and union between Human and Divine soul, the sacred marriage within.

A wise maxim states that the ends is the means. Visualizing the ends manifests the means for it.

Ill get on the rest of that and be sure to post it as soon as i figure it out. I feel like I have a better chance of asking Master Samael in the Astral :)

blessings to all of you

Shivoham