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Dusty
Join Date: 2007-11-02 Forum Posts: 849 |
I have been thinking about life over the years and questioning the meaning of it all. Working everyday, doing mundane life things, trying to eek out little bits of relaxation here and there or go on vacation once in a while, returning to the same mundane thing and then dying; really accomplishing nothing that matters. Then I thought about another way of life. If I could get out of the rat race, then I could have purpose. But, then I pictured myself gardening daily, cooking, cleaning, sewing, enjoying the beach or a boat…all to what end? Death, and then what; the same situation? I felt like everything was dark and pointless, no matter what I did in life. Even the thought of having all the money and possessions I could ever need still didn’t give me the feeling that there was a purpose or real meaning to anything. But, then I came up with a theory that we are all on a spiritual path and the purpose of our life is to interact with other people to help them grow. I thought that we are all here for each other. If one person abuses another, it was for the growth of both. If one person loves another and treats them fantastically their whole life, it was also for their particular growth in their particular stage of their development. I thought that we are all here through a divine plan and nothing is random. Everyone is in their situation because of a divine, planned destiny. Can’t our consciousness awaken slowly with teachings from others through the plans of the divine? Isn’t this a very beginning of the path for the profoundly sleeping and those that don’t have information like we have gotten by the teachings here, or for people who can’t grasp this type of teaching due to limited intelligence or cognitive factors? I just don’t see how it can be fair that we get only so many lives to awaken and only so many people will be privy to the information to reach the absolute. How come I was given spiritual information from the time that I have a memory? Why was I led to this site to find the path to make it? After getting here and learning up to this point, I have been remembering very profound spiritual experiences that I have had throughout my entire life. I have had many astral experiences and did not know what they were. (How many people have been given spiritual experiences, but not the information or steps to awakening to put it to work or to bring it all together in a realization?) Why have I been given so many blessings in order to make it off the wheel? (And, I will make it off; hopefully with many others, in this lifetime if my life is not taken prematurely.) Why have all of you here been given this same chance? Recently, someone was killed at 46 years old in a freak accident. Why was he taken before he even had a chance to get this type of spiritual information? If we only have 108 lives to get out, then why are some lives taken at infancy, throughout childhood and young adulthood? Or a life wasted by being profoundly retarded or mentally disabled or insane and unable to walk the path? It’s not fair to not give an essence more time to awaken, grow and discover and negate karma within any one life. So, again I ask, why some and not others? Dusty |
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Join Date: 2006-07-09
Forum Posts: 87
Hello there Dusty,
I have enjoyed reading your post. I am sure that at some point in time we have all felt the same way you have with regard to the meaning and purpose to our life. I for one used to ask, just like you, why some and others not. And it is a fair question.
From my understanding of Gnosis and the intellectual understanding of the teachings we need to keep in mind that we all have a past, a past that can span many hundreds, thousands of years. We will have lived many different existences, making mistakes and learning here and there. We only see the surface of what is around us, we are unaware of the history each essence or person carries deep within.
There are many things that we see about others and oursevles that we don't understand and it is due to the Laws of Karma and Dharma. Inother words, the consecuences of our actions in either a past existence or this one.
If we have been given the knowledge that enables us to awaken and be free from the mechanical wheel of eternal lives then it is for a reason. We may have been on this path in another life or lives; we may have worked very hard and even developed many faculties and created spiritual bodies that are now laying dormant due to our current state of asleep consciousness. It is our responsibility now to work and discover what lies beneath, what wonders await us.
On the other hand, if a person never comes across this information in this life time we need to consider that it may be due to karma or, that simply, their essence is not really that interested in finding it. There are many possibilities.
I completely understand your point of view and remember thinking the same thing once. Now with this information it has allowed me to see things from a different point of view and consider many things I had never even knew existed making everything fall into place.
We need to work very hard in order to polish up the diamond within which is our consciousness so it can slowly but surely start revealing all its wonders to us so we can begin to experience and understand the secrets of life and why things are the way they are.
Hope this helps in some way.
Kind regards,
Patricia
Join Date: 2005-01-26
Forum Posts: 865
Hi Dusty,
I understand how you think the "rules" aren't fair. It doesn't seem that way, but what do we really kow anyway? What direct experience do we have regarding these things? Almost none.
We can believe all the "rules" like 108 lives, etc... but there is no room in true gnosis for belief. What is needed is faith in the divine and an experiential knowledge of certain things, the Sephirot Da'at open to us, to prove what is and isn't really going on.
People make the mistake of believing their own opinions too and can come up with any theory to validate them. I've done it in the past, so it's not a big secret but usually we can't realize this is happening.
So why some and not others?
Some can't and some won't. Some want, but that negates the purpose. Others don't care. Etc...
I see that we have to make ourselves a fit receptacle for anything, even learning. If we are not able, karmically or otherwise, then any spiritual teaching will harm rather than help.
Most our questions we can figure out ourselves, but some we can't. One of my biggest is why isn't gnosis taught it layman's terms to begin with? Why all the symbolism? If some people can't handle it then that's their own selfish fault.
Join Date: 2007-11-02
Forum Posts: 849
Hi Patricia,
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I know some people say that what you get in this life is due to karma. But, no matter what crimes you commit, or how bad they are, you should still be given a chance to earn dharma. How does a totally disabled person do that? If your life is cut short because of karma, that's one less life you have to do the things you need to do and you have to start the fight all over again.
You mentioned that the essence has to be interested. I thought that the essence is that part that is "interested" and without desire or faults. I though essence was pure and is without thought or interest. It just "is" light and love.
Thank God (and I mean that with everything) that I have been given gifts and a blessed life so that I can carry out spiritual work. I pray that I'm given enough time to get this all worked out and I can truely eliminate all the destructive & evil psychology within "me" (whatever that is).
Thanks again Patricia,
Dusty
Join Date: 2007-11-02
Forum Posts: 849
Hi Apakhana,
I don't believe the rules and that's why I have so many questions. The rules of 108 lives and karma and dharma even don't make any sense to me. I don't believe in the rule of antithesis in which the whole evolution and devolution is based on. It's just not fair and I don't think that anyone would be excluded from trying to "make it".
I don't believe that we are doomed and move down a notch because in one life you did not "do" spiritual things or works. My dad was not spiritual at all and believed that you just did not exist anymore when you die. But, if I had not had my dad, I would not be the person I am today. Maybe he sacrificed that life to teach me. I learned a lot from his life and they way he died. He will not go down because of that, he will go up and maybe in the next life be given gifts like I have been given.
On the other hand, if we that have the knowledge, capacity and gifts to start walking the path don't, then I can see where that is a true crime.
One of my biggest is why isn't gnosis taught it layman's terms to begin with? Why all the symbolism? If some people can't handle it then that's their own selfish fault. Exactly....why some and not others? We should all be given equal chances.
Dusty
Join Date: 2005-10-09
Forum Posts: 263
Everyone has a chance. People are just not interested in self-realization. This is something very different from just being a good or bad person. Everything in the universe has a beginning and an end. This holds true with the egos, either we destroy them now consciously or they will be destroyed for us, with pain and suffering. Nothing can last forever or it will dominate the universe.
People misuse these types of teachings and can easily spoil it for others by changing the information and distorting it, and with good intentions.
When I first took these courses, I wanted to leave right away and give the teaching to others on my own. Feeling that I "knew" what was best for humanity and I alone would be able to save it. But with the tools I gained here I kept observing and eliminating. I soon came to realize the amount of deception that had been going on within me. I do not even understand myself yet I dare to understand what is best for humanity. I'm not even responsible for myself how can I take responsibility for others. This is something I had to dig in and look at. It is very painful.
To understand why this and why that of the world, universe and all it's laws we first have to understand why this and why that, with ourselves.
Ruben
Join Date: 2003-08-23
Forum Posts: 336
Hey Dusty
I know what you mean, I have thought of this many a time myself.
If you don't believe, that is fine, no point in believing in rules just because they are said to exist without proving or disproving it. Just keep an open mind :)
How I see it is that we are all on different stages in life and on the path, maybe even the path that leads to the path! So some people have profound astral experiences and learn from a young age, some learn through pain, some through love and some don't learn at all. We're all different people, at different stages within the cycle of this round of lives and so maybe we all need to be taught in different ways?
The path is important yes, but in terms of eternity and a giantic cycle of 108X3000 lives, maybe some people are given the chance to grow, develop and experience life in all it's intensity before being led to the path? There has to be a higher intelligence guiding all of this, no such thing as chance!
It's hard to put into words, but how I feel about this is that eternity and infinity are so large, the universe so full of wonder and everything made so fearfully and magically for a reason that it just feels like people are given what they need, when they need it, in order to be led back to the journey to themselves.
Sorry if this made no sense, very cold here and I have brainfreeze.
a.
Join Date: 2007-11-02
Forum Posts: 849
Hi Ruben,
lol That struck me as funny that you wanted to go out and save the world. It's cute. I don't feel like I'll ever be in a position to be a teacher. All I can do is just try and disseminate the information and lead people to the teachers here. Then, like you said they are either interested or not.
I guess the people who are not able (mentally) to receive information or to perform the three keys are just in the stage of what they need to go through in the physical life at this point. It doesn't mean that they are not on a spiritual path, they are just not on THE ultimate, razor's edge path??
Everyone is on a spiritual path and I guess it's not for us to judge or even try to understand what is going on with another person or why they have the circumstances that they have? Like you said, not until we can understand ourselves at the very least. I guess I can kind of see that everyone has a chance.
Dusty
Join Date: 2007-11-02
Forum Posts: 849
Hi Ahona,
I understand you completely and you make a lot of sense. In addtion to what you said, I think we all fit together and come together for that growth.
I was just thinking it was unfair that there is only one, razor's edge path back to the absolute and not everyone can follow that because of circumstances in the physical life. I was thinking that every life should be the ultimate chance to get the information and either choose to or not choose to walk that path. But, we don't have that chance in every single life because we may have to use a whole life to learn something that we wouldn't learn otherwise. I agree with you that nothing is random.
Thank God I've been given this life to find it and I don't have to suffer. I really take it seriously and I do the exercises daily.
Dusty
Join Date: 2004-02-08
Forum Posts: 211
Hi Dusty,
I too have thought about the same thing and I tried my very best to bring my immediate family members, friends etc to know about the path. But I failed to that extent I tried but the basic fact still lies that only thing we could best do to others to change ourselves esoterically.
Being an example is the best way to reach our fellow beings around than to try talk/attempt preaching.
Keep up your inner investigation,
Ju
Join Date: 2004-05-09
Forum Posts: 15
Hi Dusty
Great questions you ask, the kind of questions that resonates with us all.
I agree with Juliana. I might just add a little from my experience.
I used to speak often from the course material, but it became aparent my lack of practical understanding showed, and rather than attracting people to the courses it had the opposite affect.
More lately people are approaching me to discuss “spiritual” things. I find example draws people to the teachings, such as when I'm not angry before stressed colleagues, or refuse to join in in the condemnation of others.
For me gnosis is about living correctly. If we were to all live the teachings I think others will be drawn.
I applaud you questions, and wish you lots of strength in your search.
Cliff