when we've completed the path, and become devine, what do we do?

Hi Jahfonde,

From my understanding changing from an ordinary human being into a divine being is something that happens gradually over a period of time with a lot of work and effort.

On this journey we come to understand and overcome the areas within ourselves that bring us unhappiness and low negative states. Rather than losing an understanding of what it is to be as we are now we gain more insight into what we are, this stays with us and is not forgotten as we progress.

Changes take place when a person moves out of the childhood state into adulthood so it is nothing new in normal life. Also when a person is angry, jealous, excited etc.... you could almost say that a different person is present each time. The persons outlook is different, decisions the person makes will be different etc....

Nature takes us up to a certain point. To go further we need to make a conscious decision to do so. Really this is a first step in exercising free will. Instead of being a victim of circumstances and reacting to life the spiritual path allows greater freedom and individuality than can be achieved without inner change.

Imagine the freedom of not suffering because of fear, anger, loneliness, jealousies, laziness etc... This does not mean becoming like a robot because these crippling states are replaced by higher ones such as love, compassion, empathy, understanding, peace, serenity etc...

Hi Jahfonde,

I guess each master has it's own tasks to do in the internal worlds. As far as I have read we keep all the knowledge if we liberate ourselves.

This opens the subject of something I've been wondering. How does an enlightened being fall?
Dusty

There are different reasons, but really I think it depends on what you consider "enlightened."

If by enlightened, you mean in the Absolute, I'm not sure if they can fall, since they would have absolutely no egos whatsoever. But then we might get into the question of how did our essences which were perfect ever fall to begin with however many eons ago? But this I think is more to do with that there was no self-awareness, and the Absolute wanted to be self-aware, a type of creative companionship. That's all theory on my part though.

If by enlightened, you mean incarnated the Divine Soul and Atman (Master), then they might fall because they still have egos, although I wouldn't think an egotistical fall is likely since they have more consciousness than egos.

Another reason could be that every time the Being falls and rises it brings with it more experience, more knowledge, but this is risky. From my understanding Jesus fell consciously as Adam, the first Man, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. Without having fallen, He would not have the understanding to be the saviour. Without being human completely, and rising from it, He would not know it. Hence the feast for the prodigal son who was dead and is alive again. The son who stayed didn't get a feast.

Another reason could be that when you get to the second mountain there is a force working against you, like pulling you back, so you constantly have to be working to move forward, otherwise you are brought down. It would be like swimming upstream, if you stop swimming you'll get carried right back to where you started. Belzebuub talks about this in Secret Knowledge, Hidden Wisdom.

Hi Jim,

I was listening to one of the talks Belzebuub gave and he mentioned something about a fallen Bodhisattva.

I looked this up:
What is Bodhisattva?
In Tibetan Buddhism, a Bodhisattva is anyone who is motivated by compassion and seeks enlightenment not only for him/herself but also for everyone...

Is that accurate? So, how do they fall?
Dusty

Hi jahfonde,
Ultimately the egos are not you, so all the bad habits/aspects you will potentially be free off. You will still be you, just without all the negative aspects of ego i.e desires, compulsions, negative states ect ect. While gaining the capability for higher degrees of love wisdom and compassion.

Apparently once we are in the absolute, there is more work we can do, as wisdom is infinite.

My understanding is that A bodhisatva is someone that has incarnated their master in the higher dimensions, and yes in buddhism they all have certain qualities about them i.e wisdom compassion ect ect

You always hear of fallen angels, and from what i understand that is due to the Kundalini falling there is only one real way that can happen.

There is absolutly nothing to be concerned about, you have everything to gain ;-) To become more pure and free of the things that hold you back is the goal.
Its a life work, but from the very little i have experienced im certain it will be worth it :)

Hope that helps
Chris

You always hear of fallen angels, and from what i understand that is due to the Kundalini falling there is only one real way that can happen.

How?

Dusty

Through the loss of the Sexual Energies.

If you want to find out more, its probably best left for the courses, (Gnostic wisdom) were you will get detailed explanation of how the kundalini operates and how you can use the sexual energy for a higher spiritual purpose.

But its all theory until proven of course :-)

Dusty,

Here the word Bodhisattva describes someone who has incarnated their Master. The Master is the part in the higher dimensions. The human becomes a Bodhisattva when he merges with that part of his Being.

If I'm not mistaken you can fall by coming to this world again, either by some sort of choice, or by necessity like if a Master decided to disincarnate before leaving a disciple on the 2nd mountain, then that means even if they are in the Absolute they have to come back to an earth-type existence at some point to leave a disciple. When they do that then the bodies they've built become somewhat "de-activated" if they have egos and I guess through a sexual fall at puberty if they don't know about the dangers, then the bodies become more like a dead smoldering fire, so energies have to be balanced again by destroying the egos that revived and the fire has to be restored in those bodies with the Alchemy to reincarnate all the parts of the Being that were previously incarnated. So basically the path has to be taken up again, so this entails a certain risk. The person then, even though they have solar bodies, might not know it, and might not find information to lead them to practicing Alchemy, or their personality might develop poorly to where they reject the real Path. In an early paper, Samael explains that this is the case with Jiddu Krishnamurti. He had a "highly realized" Christ in him, but the theosophists knew this and word got out when Krishnamurti was only a child, they took him and told him all these things and it so affected his personality when they told him things they shouldn't have, that he rejected all things. He gave some brilliant psychological advice in his lifetime, but he never gave a complete teaching, for he never understood the complete teaching to restore the fire.

If I understand it right, Belzebuub was a Bodhisattva, then fell somehow, was a demon in the Abyss for a while, then Samael Aun Weor sensed his repentance and worked with him in the infradimensions to strengthen his remembrance and his repentance, and eventually Belzebuub was granted a life to work his way back up.

Don't quote me on any of this.

Thanks ChrisP & Jim B,

Jim, since you said don't quote you on any of it, I'll let what you said pass and not question or retain it at this point.

Chris P, since I don't understand "sexual energies" yet, I guess I'll wait for the class. But.....I do have three questions.

1. Do women lose sexual energy the same way men do?
2. In our 108 humanoid lives do we incarnate as male & female or only incarnate in those 108 lives as one sex?
3. Does masculine & feminine exist everywhere?

Dusty