Desexing animals

Some people think it's mean but vets say in the long run it can be better for your pet. The animal doctors know what is best for the animal more than I would ...

I don't have any pets but I know people that do and all their pets have had those operations done. To me, animals belong outside, not in houses or cages.

If we want to own an animal then I suppose you have to do what's best for the animal.
The problem I see is there's no way to know how the animal feels about it aside from empathy.

Hi Ahona,

I don't feel good about it as it alters the natural way animals are, I feel like it's a crime against nature.
he could be trained not to mark inside the house but I'm not so sure what to do about the nipping.

Steve

Yeah, I agree, I don't have a good feeling about that kind of stuff. A lot of people get their female dogs spaided, so even if he gets loose, it's likely that he would just come across other dogs that can't reproduce.

Best,

Gabrielle

Hi Ahona,

I personally always felt that to do this you produce an abominated creature with no place in the natural world.
It seems an obsene thing to do. Animals may naturally kill and eat each other but they dont naturally exist in this state as far as I am aware.

In Samaels book "YES, THERE IS A HELL; YES, THERE IS A DEVIL; YES, THERE IS KARMA " where he talks about the inhabitants of the seventh Dantean circle he states "There exists violence against nature, when we castrate ourselves or when we have animals
castrated."

I have another question in relation to ths. Is meat from an animal that has been desexed suitable to eat. I would imagine there would be karma for eating this meat.
In some conturies in europe this practise is carried out on livestock, paritcularly on male beef cattle. I think it is following a british model of farming so it probally is the same in Austraila and the U.S.
In other European countries this practice is not carried out so at least there you know that the animal has not been tampered with in that way when you buy meat.

Seán

Normal dogs don't need to be castrated, he is a puppy still and will be clinically insane until he is at least two, possibly longer. It is how dogs are. Unless there is a serious hormonal problem, which is rare, every behavioural problem is thankfully fixable with the proper training :-)

There might be 'spiritual' reasons not to do it, but even if you don't consider that aspect at all, there is still at this point no reason it needs to be done. Just keep him under control and weed out any unwanted behaviour with training, and if after years of training he's uncontrollable and you're truly desperate, then I suppose some would start thinking about it. If he was a male cat running around freely outside, that might be different.

There are no issues that can't be solved just as well in other ways.

Liz

Hello,

Just a rhetorical question here, but would you like it if someone fixed you up?

A bird has wings to fly, but if we clip them, a bird can no longer fly...

Ruben

We got our cat neutered.

On one hand, it seems so wrong, but at the same time it could have very negative effects to leave the organs and drives and not give them a way to use them. See in the wild, the animal mates with their organs, but as a pet, they won't be doing that. In the wild, it's okay to mate and have babies, because many of them die, but here when an animal has babies, each one goes to being either someone's healthy pet, or they go to live unhappily in a pound and eventually put to death there, so overpopulation can become a real problem. And if you yourself aren't taking care of all these puppies, then you have just been the cause of many more desexed pets than just your one.

The way I see it is that he'll be less happy to have his sexual organs and drives in a world that is not natural to his use of them, than not having them and not knowing the difference.

I think you, your pet, and the world will be happier if you desex him, or get him some sort of doll to mate with.

But all this is coming from a cat owner, so bear that in mind, I've never raised a dog so I wouldn't know really.

I do wonder if it has an effect on the evolutionary process of the essence though.

I personally feel this neutering thing is a very bad thing, who are we to decide to castrate other beings? And if we listen to the Masters in other things, why not to listen to them in this as well? To castrate an animal so that it could be a "happy puppy" seems pretty selfish to me and it reminds me of other crimes of sexual nature we do because of our ignorance, for the sake of "simplicity", like for example taking hormonal anticonception pills, making tubal ligation, or sterilising people.

Everybody has a free will, but this is what i feel about it. When my parents brought a little female dog into their house, their were considering neutering it, in order to "make things easier for themselves and a dog too".
Since at that time i already knew about all this, i told them that it is a crime against nature and they decided to go with the voice inside them that also told them it is not good and my father built a separate fenced place in the garden for the doggie, where she stays during "her days". I think where there is a will, there is a way.

Thanks all.

@apakhana : Some animals are certainly meant to live outside, dogs/cats and other domestic animals are now so far removed from their natural state that they would not be able to survive in the wild anymore and would potentially not be happy there, given that a lot of dog breeds are bred for companionship.

Some vets do advocate early desexing and then again, there are those who say that it can cause cancers like osteosarcoma if done too early. I don't know who to believe.

Steve f: Yeah, I don't think it's quite natural or right either. The nipping isn't an issue for us atm, it's more aggression towards other male dogs that will eventually be an issue. He doesn't mark yet too.

Gabrielle: True!

Sean: The only thing with leaving pets in their natural state is that, as Jim has said, they would be allowed to mate in the wild and those surpressed sexual urges with no outlet can lead to a lot of behavioural issues.

Liz: He isn't clinically insane :D Are your 2 fixed? I understand neutering is a lot less common in european countries than Australia and America...

Ruben: A bird has wings to fly yes, but a dog and his testicles don't quite fit that analogy?

Jim: A lot of what you have said is what I have been told by breeders and vets, so I think you are on the money, biologically speaking anyway.

Lucia: Physiologically speaking, leaving female dogs undesexed and unmated is not a good thing, because it very often leads to uterine and ovarian cancers and pyometra (infections of the uterus). For a female, unnatural or not, I would definitely desex.

Hi Ahona. This is something that I too have questioned seriously for a long time.

I make my living as a dog trainer and almost everyone in this field thinks that altering your pet is a must if you are not planning on showing or breeding them.

However, I struggle with the thought of surgically removing parts of their body that are part of their hormonal development. I got my female black lab from a shelter several years ago. The regulations there in California are that all dogs have to be spayed or neutered before being adopted out from the humane society. Due to a problem with the procedure she is permanently incontinent (unless I choose to put her on medication every day to control it). She doesn't have accidents in the house where she goes and squats somewhere, but if she is asleep for awhile she will often have a wet spot in her bed when she gets up. After talking to my vet I found out this is not uncommon with female dogs, especially when the puppy is spayed at a very young age. Obviously this won't be a concern for you as it sounds like little Spud is a boy.

Spaying or neutering a dog for behavior issues is also a something with which I have a problem. First off, it is not a guarantee that it will resolve any unwanted behavior. Most of the people I work with have dogs that have been altered yet those things you mentioned, nipping, marking, etc, are extremely common and they are fixed through training. To be honest I'm not sure what you mean by "wandering in the bud"-- I'm not familiar with that expression, but cutting out internal organs to control behavior is like giving prisoners lobotomies.

As for health issues, some vets say that it can prevent cancer and so forth. We could prevent breast cancer by giving every human female a masectomy at an early age, yet this would be considered completely absurd (please pardon this graphic example, I'm just trying to make a point).

This being said, spaying and neutering can help control the pet overpopulation problem, but once again this is not so simple. I currently live in Brooklyn, New York and I do some work with Animal Control here. Almost every puppy is adopted because they are cute and attractive to someone looking for a new dog. The problem here is that a year or so later they bring them back because they were not prepared for all the responsibility of owning and managing an animal like a dog. People also frequently bring them in because their "landlord won't let them have it" or they're moving, or some such excuse, but it's almost always untrained adult dogs that are the ones that get euthanized at shelters.

Sometime soon I will be looking for another dog and I would currently prefer to keep her intact. If she were to become impregnated my plan would be to find a suitable home for each every one of those puppies myself, and if ever one of those people had to give one up, I would require them (in writing) to return it to me for re-homing. This is common practice among all reputable breeders who don't want to see dogs in shelters any more than we do.

This is one of those questions that I've wanted to ask Master Belzebuub for a long time seeing as how this Work is largely based in sexual energy, I would like to know what his feedback is on how that translates to a pet dog, if at all. I've noticed he seems to be a dog lover himself based on what I've read in his story and the old blog on his site. For all I know, this could be a non-issue altogether.

Forgive me for the ranting, this is just something that I have dwelled on for many years. Thanks for reading. Woof.

-Andy Replogle
United States