Question about pork (pigs) and devolution.

Hi Brandino
My understanding is that pigs are the first or one of the first steps on the devolutionary process down and as such, their meat pollutes the body and is very lustful, hence not to be eaten.

It is a different matter for other meats, because they are atomically different.

I still don't think I'd especially want to eat rats though.
Cheers
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It might be fun to know that according to VM Rabolu Wild Boar despite being similar to pork is fine to eat.

Also as I understand it the devolution path is a matter of the species in this case, not the individual. This meaning when when humanity begins to devolute the entire species begins devolution and not only a single individual. When speaking of deevolution in regards to having finished the 108 lives, this is a matter of deevolution of the soul (in the abyss) and is different from deevolution of the species.

But this is just my understanding based on the writings, and nothing more...

This is covered better in the course (Gnostic Wisdom). There are certain animals that are part of the devolutionary chain (pigs, rats, monkeys, are some examples given in the book), while others are evolutionary (like dogs, cats, dolphins, etc.). The nature of the egos that are part of the animal should be understood. When the egos are evolving with the essence through the evolutionary animals, then the egos are fresh, part of nature. Then after 108 lives of self-awareness as humans in which we give in to egos (which we couldn't do as animals), they become perverted from nature during this time as we have given in to desire and committed all sorts of crimes against nature. So then when the essence devolves, the egos are very perverse, and so they enter into the devolutionary animals along with the essence. This is why you can feel a very different energy between a dolphin and a pig, or between a grasshopper and a cockroach, etc. etc.

Cows are on the evolutionary chain as far as I understand.

I know alot of people didn't eat pork because of the diseases they were so succeptible to.

In Judaism, no one is to eat the flesh of a scavenger or any "living animal" because it goes back to a time before there were ways to preserve meat and terribly cruel people would hack a peice off and let the animal suffer until the next day or so when they ate the rest.

I don't eat it because I don't really like it, it never sat well with me, I don't like milk either but I'll eat just about anything else that alot of people would think is gross.

It's been impossible for me to find the "akashic" records so I don't know how to go about observing the wheel of evolution/devolution. I can not accept that it exists just because it's being taught or makes sense but I also don't doubt it, anything's possible.
I am open to any ideas if somone here's seen it.

Just a few things to add, regarding "Is the path of devolution a fixed path? Meaning, if I started to devolve...let's say from a human to a dog, is it possible to earn a rank so to speak and become human again?"...

...from what I intellectually understand, some can be helped to get out of devolution and get another chance, if they sincerely repent and really wish it.
There are Masters helping even in Abyss!
"Door of repentance which is always open" is explained in "Perfect Matrimony" by Samael Aun Weor (I read it now, so that's why I oftenly refer to it) and during Gnostic Wisdom course.

However, most of those who are in the cycle of devolution believe that they are right in whatever they do, something similar to what we can experience here, in the physical, when being controlled by egos.
So, they just go down.

About "enjoy another ride on the wheel?", also from what I've read, the more times essence passes over the wheels of Samsara, the more experience it gets and desire to get out of it increases.

Hi Brandino

Soon after learning the theory about Pigs and involution I went out to a Japanese restaurant and ordered a deep fried chicken dish (chicken karage). I took one mouthful and was overwhelmed by the most horrible lower lustful energy you could imagine.

Intuitively I realised I had been infected by Pork. The restaurant used the same fryer to cook tonkatsu (deep fried pork in breadcrumbs). The energy of the pork had infected the oil which then infected the chicken.

There was nothing I could do to shake the feeling, prayer didn't work, the death didn't work, nothing could remove it. That night I suffered horrid lustful dreams and other effects which knocked me backwards a notch in my spiritual work.

It was a horrible lesson that verified for me the true nature of pigs.

I have eaten all the other meats you mention without any ill effect.

For a while I didn't eat at any restaurants that served pork. Later on in the work I learnt that I can use dreams to warn me of such incidents. Now I cautiously eat at restaurants that serve pork, using common sense and my dream premonitions to avoid contamination.

As with all aspects of the esoteric work, it is experience that teaches. Be guided by theory and trust your experience.

Lots of Strength in your Spiritual search
Cliff

"I took one mouthful and was overwhelmed by the most horrible lower lustful energy you could imagine.
The energy of the pork had infected the oil which then infected the chicken."

You can tell just by tasting it?

Like I said, I usually don't eat it but when I have to I can't tell the difference in after-effect between that or any other meat. I think it's has a placebo effect for alot of people but maybe it is possible that some are sensitive to it like you.

Apparently some people can tell they've eaten pork when it's by accident and they don't know how it happened, then have it confirmed later and it explains why they were feeling awful.

Personally, I haven't eaten pork in years, I don't know I think after hearing so much negative stuff about it I just don't like the idea of eating it, but I never noticed anything back when I did eat it like most people. (That is, not a whole lot. We don't use pork that much here.)

Apakhana,
Your energies need to reach a certain more purified level before you'll notice it. If your energies are all dirty you are not as likely to notice when you consume something which create dirty energies, as if you have cleaner energies and then get dirty energies into you.

The same or similar thing applies to the energies of lust as a whole. The average person might not notice any change in their energies and feeling when they get lustful, because their energies are already full of lust and dirt. But when the energies become a bit more clean, and you get lustful, you can notice a big change for the worse in regards to your internal energies etc.

Now of course with this I am not saying that placebo effects cannot occure in people, of course they can. What I am saying is that there is a big difference between a placebo effect and a real effect (there is a difference between wondering if you heard the phone ring because someone told you it did when paying attention to something else, and actually clearly heard the phone ring), as well as the fact people can feel the change as above poster explained even when not knowing they have eaten pork.

Yeah, Patrik is right, the longer you go without pork, and the more you clean up your sexual energies, the more sensitive you are to it. You might get to where just breathing the air where someone has recently cooked pork will have a very horrible effect. But anyone who tries this work seriously will eventually find this out, just keep it in mind so that you can pinpoint where the problem is and be more careful to avoid it next time.

I have had a few incidents where I have been exposed to pork and felt it immediately, although usually I don't know for sure it was pork (because sometimes chemicals can have similar instantaneous effects too, in my experience) until the next morning by which time it's obvious it was pork. Then going back over the memories you find how it could have happened. It really can be a terrible thing, something that will knock you way down for over a week, that's a long time, and it's not easy to pull yourself out of it. The actual effects from pork will last that long, it's not placebo. Maybe some people suffer placebo effects, but it's certainly no placebo to be incapacitated for well over a week. I've heard all kinds of people accuse it of being a mental trick, or that the mind can overcome it... That's like saying the mind will clean up an oil spill and undo the damage to all the plant and animal life. People that say this have obviously never gone completely without it for a long time, also doing the Work to clean up the energies, and then accidentally ingested some.

Women seem to have less pinpoint-able effects, at least from what I've seen and heard, including general low states and headaches and troublesome menstruation.