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Sun, 04/20/2008 - 13:00
Apakhana

Join Date: 2005-01-26
Forum Posts: 768

Looking for clarification,

If alchemy is the only real, one way to anhiliate the ego and produce solar vehicles, why is it said that we can get rid of 25% ego on our own (minus the chemical consort)?

Also I was contemplating, why is anything else emphasized at all, like astral projection or awareness excersizes, if alchemy is the real way to do it? Isn't it just wasting time instead of trying to find a partner?

Mabey someone already practising it can clarify, and not just tell me about the course that I've taken twice.

There are things to do and practice until we are able to work with alchemy, but I think that should be emphasized as a priority. Samael even recognizes this seems to be the only way to truly exact change.

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Sun, 04/20/2008 - 13:46
Stas

Join Date: 2004-06-04
Forum Posts: 145

Hello Apakhana,

Alchemy is not the only way to eliminate egos but it is essential in order to move past curtain point thats why it is said that we can only eliminate 25% without it.

I found that Alchemy is like any other esoteric practice that we do; it requires lots of dedication and investigation in order to make it work. I think that we have to be prepared internally in order to be able to practice alchemy. So that is why it is important that we put the maximum amount of effort into all the other exercises . In this way we train ourselves, esoterically speaking, and without that training the practice of Alchemy won't work. This is how we find a partner. It happens spontaneously without much effort from us with regards to actually looking for one. This is the main reason why all the other exercises are emphasized first because if we do enough of them and work hard we will be given a partner. I saw this happen to several people including myself.

I hope this clarifies your question.
All the strength,

Stas

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Sun, 04/20/2008 - 15:10
Apakhana

Join Date: 2005-01-26
Forum Posts: 768

Hi Stas,

Your perspective makes sense and I'm glad it works for you. You probably know people though and have easier access to helpfull resources.
I guess some of us have a harder time than others.
Thanks for your reply.

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Mon, 04/21/2008 - 11:43
Stas

Join Date: 2004-06-04
Forum Posts: 145

Hi again,

For me personally found that as we start to change things start to come up you meet new people and different sets of events start to happen in order to help us. Our circumstance's can definitely affect many things so that is why we need to find ways to change things that are stopping us from moving forward. But overcoming difficulties is an essential part of the learning process and is something that helps us to see things about ourselves that we wouldn't see otherwise. On the other and sometimes we have expectations and those ruin everything because there is something very selfish behind them. It is when we work hard just to become a better person things are given to us without us wanting or expecting them.

Stas

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Mon, 04/21/2008 - 12:26
Currently

Join Date: 2005-10-30
Forum Posts: 164

Hello Apakhana,

From what I see from your latest posts is that you are stuck somewhere and possibly depression is settling in.

I get that feeling of doubt sometimes my self. I made realization last week that I settled into pride again, all my dreams are screaming this at me. My hardest part was to figure out how to get out of it and get back to consciousness. I can in my own case conclude, that I have not practiced the basics of awareness lately and that is why I did not notice the transition. I only noticed my reactions.

So I have to return to the basics of the practice and catch it from there. That is why I don't despair right know that my wife is not in to this work. I have long way to go again before I could even consider Alchemy my self.

As each class ends it warns us not get satisfying by few experiences we had and keep going at it. Keep practicing the basics and be honest with your self. Look at everything that you feel and think and try to find the real cause of it.

We get excited and forget to practice the basics as we try to dwell deeper in to the mystery, but that only is happening intellectually, so the danger is that we fall asleep again, as I did.

Wishing you all a great spiritual morning.

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Mon, 04/21/2008 - 13:02
Apakhana

Join Date: 2005-01-26
Forum Posts: 768

Hi there,

My reply got deleted and I'm not typing it all over again so to sum it up:

Thanks for your experience Stas.

I take it you're doing okay now then Currently?
I'm not depressed, but thanks for the concern :)
I know better than to doubt and I'm not stuck. What I am worried about is that if applying alchemy is the best way to transmute then why do people waste time teaching other stuff before that?
It would not be good to have to incarnate all over again and forget everything and never find the work again.

Like Samael said, more than most fail because they're sincerely mistaken regarding evrything else and waste time.

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Mon, 04/21/2008 - 19:08
Alex S

Join Date: 2005-12-04
Forum Posts: 157

Hello Apakhana,

The practice of Alchemy does NOT in any way replace such practices as the death, self-observation and awareness.

In fact it is vital to self-observe and to die properly during the day. Death is the main practice and it doesn't work right without proper self-observation and awareness. To die properly you have to be self-observing properly to see all the details of the egos and of course you need to be aware to do that.

Please, consult the following page to find out about the danger of not dying properly and practicing Alchemy at the same time: http://www.belzebuub.com/talksinquebec2004page5

Also the awareness is very important because the final goal of everyone seeking enlightenment is to be constantly aware, constantly conscious without lapses of unconscious of subconscious states. The awakened beings are constantly aware beings.

We need astral projection to be able to verify the things we are taught by the masters. We need AP to be able to study our egos better because they reside in the fifth dimension. We need meditation for the same purpose of studying our egos. If you do not know your enemy, how can you defeat them? Trying to apply death to the egos without really knowing them is like trying to stab invisible people. You may get an occasional hit right, but that is not good at all.

So every practice taught in the courses is important and shouldn't be overlooked.

I personally do not know if the info about the 25% is correct. I can't verify that, neither do I know where it comes from. I prefer NOT to have a limit like that in my Work. I prefer to think that everything is possible, to die alone to 30%, 40%, 60%, 80% of the egos. And not only to think, but also to try to achieve that.

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Mon, 04/21/2008 - 19:40
Vadim

Join Date: 2004-11-30
Forum Posts: 2623

From the very little I know about it, it seems that the practice of Alchemy is one of a very advanced practices.

It looks that it requires a very strong concentration, visualization, authentic progress with lust and true love...for all that, so much work is needed.

I think Alex brought a very good point also that without psychological elimination of inner defects, Alchemy could be even harmful...
And what is Alchemy without love? And how to love, how to keep that fire, without a serious internal work?

It seems that without a very good internal control, which comes with a lot of work, all that transmuted energy can strengthen egos, or simply be not enough to incarnate anything.

...while Masters seem to really stress its importance for authentic and pemanent spiritual change, and therefore, the need to investigate all obstacles on the way there, and to remove them.

best wishes,

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Mon, 04/21/2008 - 20:06
Jenny

Join Date: 2007-09-18
Forum Posts: 28

Goodmorning from Greece :)
That is an interesting question Apakhana. Well my dear friend, we are very very complicated machines. I wil give you an example based on my experiences: There is a "Jenny" who thinks she is wasting time, the impatient one. Her desire to see results, her fear of failing makes her worry sometimes. Another one is worried because her partner (9 years relationship) has nothing to do with this job. And trust me, she was really annoying and still is. There is another Jenny, very sceptical. Another one so pride, who looks down to people and gets angry (and she is very well hidden )when she is with others who don't do what she thinks they should be doing, like being in the present instead of dreaming. And in that very instant, herself is dreaming with all these thoughts , feelings, desires. Did I mention another one who is lustfull and an image, a smell , a touch or a sound are capable of making her upset? The Jenny who desires self-realization? The Jenny who is always in a hurry?
So my dear friend Apakhana as you can see I am really messed up :P How can I find peace in the moment when all of these parts of me "want" something. How could I possibly apply alchemy when one Jenny desires sex for pleasure, another one is bored, another one is pride? I can't even control my hands, my legs, my mouth. I eat and I don't remember myself eating sometimes, or what exactly I put in my mouth lol :P. So I found out that willpower and concetration in what I am doing in the moment really helps to discover what is wrong with the "machine". I don't have strong willpower. She is bottled up in every "little" desire. I have to gather it up, control it. Then maybe, if I am worthy, someone will show me what I really want. Because now all I can see is a mess :P and that is the truth. Painfull, (the Jenny who pities herself haha) but the truth is the truth and instead of thinking how difficult it is, instead of feeling down one must act don't you think?
What will come, will come. Why shoul we worry about the future? We are not here to worry about anything, we are here to live the moment and find that peace (that would be awsome :P). It is a school, every moment is an opportunity to find what makes us prisoners and use our willpower our "thelema" and get rid of it.
Let's enjoy our moment :) We are so small and we know so little. All we have to do to verify this is look at the sky at night. We (our personalities) have a beginning and an end. So let's find out what stays :)

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Mon, 04/21/2008 - 20:21
Juliana

Join Date: 2004-02-08
Forum Posts: 199

Hi Apakhana,

A person who just practises alchemy and not do the death key ends up as Hanasmussin. Its a terrible transformation which is no help to a individual who really wants to progress spiritually.

This hanasmussin will have a great spiritual side and equally without the death done properly there will also have developed a very ugly egoistic side.

Refer the Talks at Quebec at www.belzebuub.com - Page 5 Emphasising self observation and death egos.

You will then find the importance of having the death key happening moment by moment.
I found very valuable to understand the importance of first key.

Much strength to keep up your death key in pace,
Ju

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Tue, 04/22/2008 - 08:01
Currently

Join Date: 2005-10-30
Forum Posts: 164

Yes Apakhana, I am back on tracks again :)

Everyone here have given some great suggestions that are very useful to me too, thanks.

The beginnings of One Jenny is knowing all the other Jennys.

Wishing you all a great spiritual morning.