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Dusty
Join Date: 2007-11-02 Forum Posts: 716 |
It doesn't seem fair that some people can so easily project and other have such a hard time. When somebody told me about this, I found this website. Before finding this website, I bought two other books on astral projection. What I didn't realize is that I had been astral projecting since I was a little girl. I can recall two specific, clear incidents that happened that were definitely astral travel. After reading those two books, I had my first purposeful projection, before the class started. So, I was able to project all through the class and even now. Why can't other people do the same? What does it really take other than relaxation and concentration? I thought maybe I had an advantage because I had been trained in meditation. But, I had a projection when I was around 3-5. I clearly remember this projection and there is no doubt about what it was. So far, I have only had one direct spiritual experience. All the other times, I have just managed to get out and walk around and most of the time I have subconscious images and scenes in the projections. I manage to keep focus, but on things that I have subconsciously projected. As I try to be more aware, the projections are getting longer and more purposeful. Why do other people struggle and never acheive it? Is this a gift that you get after you reach a certain level of spirituality. I was talking to a Christian friend and many people believe that this type of experience is given to us by non-divine beings. I don't believe that, but I had an experience that was puzzling. This experience was when I projected and I had my eyes closed and was being pulled somewhere. I was flying pretty fast and I realized that I had not done my protection before I went to sleep. So, as my eyes were closed, I started my prayers f protection and ended with "The power of Christ protects me." I repeated that three times, increasing the light around me each time and on the third time, I was dumped on my butt into my back yard. It was not gentle either. This puzzled me a bit. One other time, I decided that I would try to go into higher dimensions myself if nobody was going to take me there. So, to me the only way to higher dimensions was up. I was really struggling to get into the air and I made it part of the way and I was pulled down and crashed into the ground. So, why can some project easily, while others can't at all. And why do some get direct spiritual teachings and others are prevented? |
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Join Date: 2003-12-29
Forum Posts: 786
Hi Dusty,
An interesting question and certainly one in which I think a lot of factors come into play.
In some cases I'd imagine those who can project easier (or who have other spiritual talents) have done the spiritual work in past lives but somewhere along the way got lost. Then in their current life, they still have some of those virtues of the consciousness they had gained before, helping them to better project, etc.
I also think the Divine do everything they possibly can for us, to help, inspire and guide us. Especially when we start out in these spiritual studies, we often get a lot of help (sometimes the help can also guide us to seek out the spiritual in the first place). The help is gradually withdrawn when the Masters see that we are able to achieve spiritual experiences on our own, although then things become more difficult.
There have been lots of times when I'm doing very poorly spiritually, feeling disheartened, unmotivated and not really able to overcome some obstacles and then out of the blue I have an astral experience. It gives me strength and I can then persevere. My personal understanding of this is that I've been given help in these times. Those experiences don't come from any special abilities (at least none that I can see); they come because the Divine try to encourage me.
Another thing to consider in terms of achieving astral projection is dedication. Those who have the most success (in the long run) are those who really work hard at their practices and overall spiritual development.
As for the spiritual teachings, I think a lot of what we can experience in teachings comes down to what we need to learn most spiritually. As we strive more for self-knowledge, our astral experiences can become more esoteric. No one is prevented from spiritual teachings but these teachings must often be earned through hard work.
Lastly we should keep in mind is that sometimes the teachings in the astral can be very symbolic. Our location, what we see, what happens, etc. can all be spiritual teachings.
Kind regards,
Mike
Join Date: 2004-09-05
Forum Posts: 1334
Hi Dusty,
I hope you are doing well. As Mike suggested, we can get a lot of help, especially in the beginning. One thing you will hear more about in the Gnostic Wisdom course is that the more help we give, the more we receive. Even if you have a natural gift for projecting, helping others can increase the help that you receive.
You seem to be really active here and always willing to help others in the forums, for example. This can definitely contribute to the success you have.
Gabrielle
Join Date: 2005-10-30
Forum Posts: 164
Hi Dusty,
Just to add to what Mike and Gabrielle have said. We all project into astral in our sleep. The difference is how aware each individual is to this event. Most of us just brush it away as an odd dream. The more we become one with our Essence, the more conscious we become of the process of Astral projection. Instead of dreaming in our own ego's desire projections.
From all that I have learned here on Gnosticweb there are two dimensional levels in all of existence. There are superior-dimensional levels and then there are infra-dimensional levels. To which dimension our conscious is attracted depends on how much consciousness is awakened and how much Essence have been freed from our Egos grip. Those of us that allow Egos to dominate us will then awake in the dimension to which the Egos energy is its self attracted. So in essence we are present in an appropriate dimensions of existence 24 hours a day / 7 days a week. If we stay aware in the present moment we have the ability (gained with training) to be aware of these appropriated dimensions at the same time. Then astral travel is just merely focusing on that dimension and we transfer all of our focus to that dimension.
My guess to your hard landings is that your mind have interfered with your internal consciousness, thus it pulls your focus back to your Vital body (some call it aura energy body) which probably might have thrown you back in to your physical body.
From what I have read about projecting in other books, is that most people start out projecting their focus into their Vital (aura energy) body. I think that is what happens when we are one with present moment, we connect with the energy of our surroundings. It is our mind that projects the past information for us in order to recall past emotional experiences (which our egos love so much) - this is what we have learned is the psychological sleep which keeps us from the present moment. Thus to project into higher dimensions will become easier with more practice and with creating our lunar body through alchemy (In some text from SAW, he states that "some people don't even have their Lunar body incarnated yet" - it is not clear to me if Lunar body = our Essence, it seems that way).
So the difference between people ability to project depends mainly how much of their Egos weight they have shed from past and present experiences as Mike have pointed out.
This is how I understand the teaching, I can be wrong, if so kindly correct me.
Wishing you all a great spiritual morning.
Join Date: 2007-11-02
Forum Posts: 716
Thanks everyone for your comments. I don't think the experiences come from any special abiilties either. That's why I wondered why some and not others.
Gabrielle, I hope I help other people. I would love for everyone to be able to experience what I am experiencing. This is coming from an ego, thought, I think. Cuz, I don't want to be alone in this....For a while it seemed that I was just causing problems. lol I've tried to shut up a little bit over these last few weeks. There are some posts that I wanted to respond to, but I thought I might just be medeling, so I stayed out of it.
Currently, everything you said made a lot of sense. I think you are right on about the mind interfering.
Thanks a lot for your guy's support,
Dusty