Hi Chris,

I have also noticed that laziness usually lies at the basis of this circle. Eventually we already feel defeated before we begin, like you just said. I found that the only way to come out of this is to apply a huge counterforce, by doing exercises without expectations and to apply the work with the heart instead of the mind.

Hi Chris,

I think that Martijn said magic word about disappointment.
~Expectation~

What does expectation mean?
>Expectation means belief that things should work out in a certain way. >Where do beliefs come from?>Beliefs come from accepting views, opinions, etc., without verification if they are true or not>Why not to verify things?>Because it can be hard to verify, it can be scary to face the truth, can feel great to accept a certain things, feel pleasurable to think about this or that, etc.>so here are all 7 sins, in their different manifestations, forming expectations in dark layers of subconscious ...
waiting to be eliminated
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I agree with all 3 of you.

Martin is laziness an extension of Pride? Or is this beast on its own?

Vadim is it that expectation is a product of Pride? A food offering to pride from pride?

I am suffering from Pride. It is very difficult ego to battle. Silence is great way to drown it with. Samael Aun Weor have urged us that if pride is dominating over us, we should work hard to awaken intuition. Mantra "O" was highly recommended by him.

Thanks for bringing it up as it impregnates my personality thus it is easy one to feed.

Wishing you all a great spiritual morning.

Expectations! Yes!

It is amazing how different egos are connected with each other, feed each other and at the same time fight against each other.

In this mess we expect to give results from nowhere. And when we don't we get disappointed.

Expectation becomes obvious when disapointment is analyzed. We think we believe there will be a certain outcome when, in fact, thinking isn't knowing and belief is extremely limiting...

What else is worth considering is the other end of the spectrum:
When we don't know what to expect of an outcome or have fear of an uncertain future, we get anxiety.

Something to see with all awareness is, where is the healthy in between?
We'll find it if we know how to look.

Currently, I think that expectation can be product of different egos, while PRIDE certainly plays its role in this game.

For example, with pride we can expect others to treat us always with respect because pride makes us feel that we should receive respect from everyone...but when someone doesn't treat us with respect, disappointment appears...and then anger, fear, etc.,., etc....

But expectation can come also from greed, laziness, gluttony, lust, sadness, fear, envy, jealousy, etc., as well...
We all can imagine examples of it, right?

Very well put about anxiety, Apakhana.
Thanks for starting this thread, Chris.
Good luck in this battle, Currently, for me it's very hard to fight with pride too...

Happy Easter to everyone!

Hi currently,

Just like expectation can come from different ego's, so can laziness come forth from other ego's. If we feel proud and we are content with our situation and don't want to change ourselves, this can lead to being passive.

This passiveness can take a more stronger form and can also express itself in everything we do. Eventually we feel a strong resistance and just don't feel like doing the things we actually should do. Giving in to this resistance is a form of laziness.

Thanks for all your answers,

I have caught my pride ego clinging to rules and my subconscious loves to blame the rule breakers, yet I my self am occasionally a rule breaker thus my pride is a hypocrite. I am getting better at catching my self here, but I still slip now and then. At least my memory is getting better to replay the scenario and observe what was going on.

My biggest guild is speeding. Its easy to do as 97% of drivers on the road tend to go faster then posted. I try to get up earlier, but as the week progresses I run out of steam, then it takes longer to get going (shoot the pride; pride does love excuses).

Wishing you all a great spiritual morning.

Yes, it's interesting to see how egos form hyposrisy.

For example, a person can be a "rule-breaker" and everywhere look for rules to break...but then "convert" and enforce the same rules on others, even when it's not necessary, and then come back to rule breaking again, when following rules would get too boring.

Another example can be, to follow rules in one environment, but to "compensate" it by breaking rules in another. Balance should be respected, right?
This can be one of the justifications.

Regarding pride in this picture, I find it depends from the perceived status of organization at the taken moment and your perceived role in it, whether pride gets fed by associating with it, or gets hurt.