A little question on life in the Astral...

Hi Pixie,

The astral world which we can visit is more or less a copy of our world; but there are also spiritual beings and temples present there.

When we dream we enter the lower part of the astral world and when not aware or lucid, we repeat the same things as we would do during normal life; we shop, work, eat, watch tv, etc. Our psyche is so asleep that we usually do not see the difference between the physical and the astral.

Kind regards,

Martijn

From a higher dimension you can see and experience the things of the lower dimensions, since the lower dimension is contained in the higher dimension. It only works that way, for instance we can't see the astral from the physical (unless we've merged with parts of our Being which exist in the higher dimensions and allow us to experience all the dimensions from this physical world). So astral things, temples, beings, and the such, can only be seen from the astral plane or higher, but not from the physical since that is a lower plane.

It's like, if you had a two-dimensional being on the side of a cube, existing only on that flat plane, they would not know what they are on is actually part of a 3-dimensional object called a cube, they would have no concept of it even, only seeing side to side and up and down without concept of depth, but a 3 dimensional being can see that cube and realize there is a two-dimensional being on one part of it. Or if that two-dimensional being could somehow become conscious in the 3rd dimension, then they'd see their plane is right there as part of something more.

Does that make sense?

Ultimately these "things" are not made here in the physical anyway, the physical is just a dense version of energy which exists in the Absolute, coming down through the dimensions, to materialize in the physical. Then we just manipulate and change what's already been created from the Absolute source of energy.

Hope this helps and doesn't cause more problems with the mind ;)

Best wishes,
Jim B.

Thanks for the replies, Jim  B - after 2 head ache tablets and numerous re-reads of what you posted, i think i get what you mean, lol.

 Is it like.. if there was a 5 story building with one way view glass on the floor, the people who looked up at the ceiling could not see what was above them, but the people on the floor above could see the people below?? and so on and so on..

(i have to put these things in simple terms or else i get brain ache, haha)

The thing is, although i understand now why i can see things in the astral that are in the physical, doesnt this seem strange to the astral beings? to have supermarkets that are no use to them, or an ocean that they cannot feel (in the sense that we can) - has anyone ever asked them?

 hmm.. in saying this i realise why  you have to 'call' to speak to entities of any intelligence/help, they are not there already. and why the closest astral plane seems to be abit of a 'ghost town' - deserted apart from the odd wonderer and negative entities.

While i'm on that subject, is it possible to project from your body straight into a higher plane, because so far i've only been able to project into my astral bedroom and then go from there.. i often get negative entity attacks and am wondering if this is the reason (i project to a low plane or the 'ghost town') 

thank you! 

I thought Jim's response was a real good one.

Pixie, you're point of view seems backwards to mine.

I think the easiest way to explain it is to realize things happen in a higher dimension first, before they can manifest in ours here.

To put it Kabbalisticlly - As things come out of their source, they go from: cause-to-thought-to-formation-to emanation. The causal plane, the mental planes, the astral planes, then our physical one.

There's alot of numbers explaining 7 heavens, or 7 hells, some cases 9 planes, or even more. But basically what I've come to experience, and this is also backed up by others experience, is that each plane has an infinite amount of dimensions to it.
It also fits the Enochian model were each plane is an infinity contained in an infinity, all separated from it's source by the abyss.

If we can get rid of 100% of our impurities then we can enter the absolute again without having to go through this abyss. Just happens to be what gnosis also holds as truth.

Your last question is a good one. You don't necessarily have to leave your body to be aware of higher aspects. To me, it's possible to experience cause behind everything while still in the body rather than leaving it behind to see things.
But there's an aspect of our being that goes beyond words so I'll have to leave it at that.

The closest plane does seem "deserted" to me also.

martijn, its actualy vice versa.
our world is a copy of the astral.
inner (astral) is the cause of the outer (physical),
"cause & effect"