Love or Desire?

Hi Tos,

 To me, love comes from awareness, I feel my centers balanced and clear from egos and just feel warmth in my heart. I don't think about a particular person or anything over and over...just feel warmth and care for others.

With desire I can feel warmth in my heart too (it used to really confuse me before) but sexual centre is pulsing together with emotional centre, thinking is obsessive, going over and over in the circles, phantasizing, etc. I think about particular person in the lustful way, there is no real care for that person...just an instinct to satisfy, and with lustful thoughts, in the circles, it becomes stronger and it is harder to resist it.

According to my understanding, love comes as the by-product of internal work. Love, mercy, respect, conscience, peace, etc., are all qualities of consciousness and with internal work consciousness increases as well as superior parts are incarnated, karma gets paid off, etc.

If you'll go here, Belzebuub explains about love in skype weekly talks.

hello vadim,

thanks for reminding me to always clear all my centers.

I have been using my mind too much on this subject and not being aware and use the consciousness.

the answer is so simple!. the mind complex things!. ayayay!..

tnx again!.

Hi,

I agree with Vadim based on what I've realized.

Lust/desire is selfish, but Love is self-less.

That's the easiest way I can put it.

I am sure when you experience this kind of love you will recognize it Tos! :) I like how Apakhana said it.

When I've read your post, Tos, it reminded me about self-observation, thanks!
All the best to you, and to all of us in this battle against egos!

Strength to everyone who looks to become a better person.

Unless you've made significant progress, it's almost certainly desire. That's not to say it can't be transformed into love with Alchemy, but is to say that a healthy objective detachment (not really detachment, but not attachment) would be a good idea. Elsewise it almost certainly ends in pain.
-J

What my experiences show me is that you don't have to have made a big progress to feel the unconditional love and you can experience it even if you haven't practiced alchemy.The way I see it for now is if you want to have it permanently you will have to work on your egos.

hello,

if we push ourselves if we just keep pushing fighting for that love.. that unconditional love for everyone then we will feel it. Even if we are just starting. I felt it by being aware.. awareness.. awareness.. and more awareness.

nadya!. its been so long since i felt that kind of love. i almost felt it again last year. i was almost there then poof! egos arrive.

oh, love...

i read the perfect matrimony by Samael Aun Weor for the 2nd time in a long while. ANd the first topic hits my question.

Lovers should analyze themselves before marrying to know whether they are really in love. Passion is easily confused with Love. Love and desire are absolute opposites.

Man in love; do not confuse Love with Passion. Analyze yourself deeply. It is urgent to know if she belongs to you in spirit. It is necessary to know if you are in complete affinity with her in the three worlds: though, feeling and will.

- Samael Aun Weor -

Thanks for the quote, Tos!

Love can also be felt with truly helping people spiritually.

A few years ago, I got very inspired by reading what Ioannis had written sharing with his inner experiences during the retreat.

"...I prayed, asked desperately for help and guidance so that I could help and get helped. From the first time this retreat worked in a magical way and this was all way up to the end. Things came exactly as they should come. A feeling of infinite love for all the people there, a feeling that fills you up, you see yourself reflect in the others and cry desperately because you need to change, because you see how tragic your life is..."

You can read it fully here

Nadya,
I agree that unconditional love is not hard to come by, and requires simple acceptance of oneself and others. With romance and eros, however, it is quickly complicated and becomes very difficult to have real love. Lust being so powerful, it sneaks in while your eyes are locked and suddenly your hooked! At this point is where alchemy helps. True love can happen otherwise, but only after enough work. When that happens, there is no question about what is desire and what is love.
-J