Psychedelic drugs for meditation?

Hi Foxtse,

Good or wrong? Who knows. But, logically speaking, you have to remember your astral experiences with your physical brain right? So, what good is it to tweek it out using drugs? Logically, this would cause you to have false, missing, inacurate or exagerated memories....no?

If you want to use Samael as an example, then he said, you absolutely have to pay attention to what you put in your body and to the health of your body so that you can accurately remember your experiences.

Just my 2 cents,
Dusty

Hi Foxtse,

I'd personally be very disinclined to use any sort of drugs to improve astral projection or meditation or anything for that matter...

I'm of course not talking about medicines used to cure illnesses, etc.

I don't know much about the drugs you're considering but from the courses it is explained that consciousness-altering drugs, which may include those that you are considering, are harmful spiritually. The damage done isn't always obvious; drugs can harm our bodies in the other dimensions. Although many tribes use drugs in ceremonies Belzebuub has also mentioned that these ceremonies are dark - they aren't spiritual.

Maybe I can't speak from experience on the above but I've always personally had an intuitive hunch that the above was true, even before finding these courses.

From experience, what I can say after working on techniques for self-awareness for a few years now is that the consciousness itself is all we need for any sort of spiritual experience. When our consciousness is active, we have perfect clarity, inner peace and spiritual practices are extremely productive. Nothing more is needed.

I don't think I've read that book of Samael. His latest books are for download on this site and I've heard his other books contain mistakes. That's not saying we should never read them, but that we should keep this in mind. Maybe before applying the Peyotl information in the book you could ask VM Samael in the astral or pray for guidance from your Divine Parents on the issue…

Best wishes,

Mike

I found the passage. The Samael book is called "Logos, Mantram, Theurgy" one of His early books. This is his 6th clue for astral projection:

"A prodigious cactus exists in Mexico, mentioned by Master Huirachoca in his 'ROSICRUCIAN NOVEL.' It is the Peyotl or Jiculi. That cactus has the power of awakening clairvoyance instantly, to him who masticates it. The Peyotl permits concious travel in the Astral Body.
It is a Sacred Plant of the Grand White Lodge.
Unfortunately, it is absolutely impossible to find the authentic Peyotl in the Mexican Republic. It is only found in San Luis Potosi on in Chihuahua among the Tarahuamaras Indians of the Sierra.
The Masters of the Temple of Chapultepec use the cactus for their instant and urgent astral journeys. It is enough to chew it that is all!"

So what do you think of this passage?

About native Mexican ways of enlightement that include peyote it is important to understand that native people who go throuh entire ritual as thought by their elders and someone from modern world who takes it and tries to meditate is two completely different things. Peyote rituals require special preparations, fasting, etc. and later on instructions on what to do and what to make of what you experience.
Even tobacco is used in some south american shammanistic traditions...the dizziness you normally feel from tobacco smoke (if you tried it) is used in some rituals, but that doesn't mean a thing for a modern world everyday smoker.

Hi Matthew Richards,

That's an interesting passage, thanks for sharing. Maybe, it is a mistake have been made by Samael Aun Weor to recommend peyote at all, or openly in his book?

"However, towards the end of his life in 1976, he declared at the Congress of Guadalajara to the Universal Christian Gnostic Movement, that only 5 of his books should be used and that he wished the others could be burned because of the mistakes they contained. "

The Last Works of Samael Aun Weor

Personally, I have seen only tremendous harm from all drugs.
It seems to me that the price for any of those experiences is way too high and they don't help to care more about people and radically change, but what LittleHuman wrote, makes sense to me too.

Hi Foxste,

Before I came to Gnosis I had experienced many different pyscadelic drugs. One thing that I found in common with them was that the experiences never had any objectivity. Basically I had no control. It's like being taken for a ride and you can't control if your going to go up or down, and I have found myself in some very dark parts of my mind during some of these expieriences. Little did I know that by taking these drugs I was actually strengthening that side of me. Even though these expieriences can seem very mystical sometimes, they are infact very different from a clear and conscious projection.

I would suggest to practice astral projetion so that you can have a clear, conscious expierience so you can see the difference for yourself. Also when you take drugs it causes chemical imbalances in the brain so it dosen't function right, and so in turn the consciousness can't manifest properley. Leaving sub-conscious states running wild. I hope you think about this before you decide to take anything.

All the best

Rob

This topic caught my attention because of my prior experience with neurotransmitters used by the pineal gland, the small eye in the middle of the brain. These chemicals are protected from entering the rest of the brain in waking experience. During sleep however the same hallucinogenics that Amazonian shamans use are present in our brains. Specifically the pineal gland, which is our third eye. See Dr. Richard Strassman's book "dmt the spirit molecule" for more details.

di-methyltryptamine and 5-methoxy,di-methyltryptamine are already present in the pineal gland of your brain. These chemicals have been used forever in healing the sick. But also like many other discoveries and inventions, they used in warfare as well.

What Master Samuel maybe referring to is the spiritual warfare used by some tribes as documented by Michael Harner in A Shaman's Way. In which psychic attacks were launched with evil intent.

In the same way however psychic attacks come from our own egos and can come from other entities with evil intents in mind for us. Entheogenics however make us sensitive to lower and higher beings as well. Entheogenics take much training to learn how to use properly. Without training one is literally placed in the middle of a battlefield without a clue to what's happening. That person will probably be drained by negative forces and depleted of their energies after the trip is finished. If a person is trained they can, however, align with higher beings, deal with the egos, and go explore fully conscious. In this way, after the trip is over, they are able to remember the entire experience clearly and they feel their chakras aligned and energized. Not that this is a good reason to take an entheogen, because as we all know a powerful dream or OBE also leaves us feeling the same way. As pointed out earlier, natural entheogenics are responsible for our night time experiences! So whether you like it or not, you all use the illegal substance DMT. Sorry to break the news to you, but if you dream at night you are in fact using DMT.

A warning:
From personal experience entheogens are extremely powerful and therefor abused much more often than properly used. Spiritual backbone is required and one gets that from practicing elimination of the egos in a conscious way. In that sense entheogens are not required or desirable in any way.

Foxtse:
My view on this is look at your intention? Does it come from the ego? You may experience the most scary thing you ever have ever experience by letting go of identifications, but that shock and fear comes from ego. It wants to separate from the rest of the world and have you identified with it. Entheogen use can lead to ego death or at the least cause the ego to become visible to the light of your conscious awareness.

How can darkness be when our beingness is radiant light?:

The negative traits that arise, arise from the ego. Fear is a trait of the ego. In the light of a higher being darkness does not exist. So how can anything be evil? If we treat everything with love how can it then be evil or harm us in any way? It is impossible, if we align with our light being, beings of darkness cannot possibly harm us.

So then how can evil be anything with any substance unless we identify with it?

Hi Miles & all,

I have read DMT the spirit molecue by Rick Strassman, and yes it has been said in his books that you can meet different beings in this DMT induced state, but can you verifife that these beings come from light? Have you learned to navigate in this state and call a known awakend master? Begings can come to us in the form of light with a completley different agenda.

DMT is the only drug that our body instantaneously accepts becuase we produce it, and is found in many animals and plants, and is released in the human brain during different stages of sleep yes that is true, but this is all part of a natural process. When you start extracting form different sources and inject, smoke, or injest the brain releases these molecues in a different way, so this is not the same as going to sleep.

It's not advised to go against nature. True spiritual knowledge is given to people who work for there expieriences, and have a certain level of understanding. To learn about the ego and how we are sperate from these entites then self observe during daily life and with these coruses you learn to eliminate them.

All the best

Rob

Hey,

If I can chime in on this thread, I brought it up before but if you ever had OBEs or astral experiences you may or may not have noticed that there are symptoms produced that are extremely similar to what people describe in UFO/alien abductions.

Do you think that the whole abduction phenomena is just DMT hallucinations?
It makes the strongest case yet, but there are still other documented cases that do not fit into this theory.

I also wonder if DMT has anything to do with sleepwalking or chemically paralyzing the body for sleep. I used to sleep walk alot.
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If I can also explain my perspective on what Robert typed: "It's not advised to go against nature" ...

We don't go AGAINST "nature" so much, we evolve IN nature. The way out is through it.

What we go against is the naturally occuring entropy most the world experiences.

Does that make it any clearer in a sense? I probably read it out of context but there's my perspective.

I guess if we want to depend on a drug to temporarily achieve spiritual states then we will be fine with taking drugs the rest of our lives. Then what happens when we die and can't take the drugs with us? We're even more lost.

If we want to practice Gnosis and discover a path that completely transforms the animal being, permanently, into a divine being, then we have to take up the Path on our own, without the help of drugs. By taking drugs someone is only making it more difficult to rise later on whenever they decide to never touch them again.

We're all here, things are spelled out in black and white, really now we just need effort as the catalyst, and we'll see the reality of the Path.

Best wishes,
Jim B.