Visited the tribunal of divine Justice, need feedback from most experienced.

HI Foxtse,

Any teachings you receive are very private and designed for you alone, and as such should not be revealed to others. Doing so could well mean you will not get any more teachings for some time.

Teachings are often symbolic in nature, and the symbols used could be personal to you. Rather than posting about the teachings and asking others to decipher them for you, you are best to meditate on them and try to get an intuitive understanding of these as opposed to an intellectual one.

Egos can cloud your astral experiences and make them less objective, the degree to which depends on your awareness during the day and the amount of work done to eliminate the egos.

Strength to everyone!

Amy

hello Foxtse,

Are you sure it were Divine beings teaching you and did you do conjurations on them, could you see their eyes?
Also negative entities can act as Divine.
You might have been tricked, sounds to me like that.

I experience teachings as wisdom, symbolic or not.

Karma can be reduced fast when you eliminate your egos a lot. Then there is no need to go to hell.
By eliminating egos you also get more willpower and faith. If you don't know how to do this, can try to observe and understand your negative states, analise them with a clear mind, or in the moment itself.

goodluck,

Peter

Hi foxtse,

Like others have said, the experiences and teachings we receive in the astral are really personal and need to be interpreted individually just as dreams can only really be interpreted by the dreamer and are best kept private.

Amy gave a nice idea that you could meditate upon the experience. In the Self-Discovery course there is a technique to analyze dreams and gain a deeper understanding of them.

The effects of the subconscious can vary a lot. Sometimes the subconscious clouds our experience a little so things aren't so clear and maybe we don't remember everything as vividly as if we were fully aware... in other cases an entire experience could stem from the subconscious from our surroundings to the purported beings that we interacted with.

Negative entities can also be terrible nuisances when we wish to explore something spiritual or speak with a Master. Sometimes they do things that will bring up more subconscious states within us so that we fall into a dream or in other cases they can actually pretend to be a Master.

Peter mentioned looking into their eyes and this is pretty reliable as a real Master has a certain look in their eyes, full of love and compassion, whereas negs often have dark and sinister eyes. Also Masters have a certain divine vibe about them - they seem to emanate various divine qualities like love, strength, understanding, etc. Listening to our intuition is also really important here.

All the best in your investigations!

Mike

Thanks, I know I should not reveal this information, perhaps I was to specific. But at the same time, if I was probably deceived by a NE I must find out somehow.

I have called masters before, and everytime I get aproached by NEs. Only once do I think I met with Rabolu, there was something good emanating from him.

Now that I recall it, I didn't look at their eyes, I think I gave for granted that they were the judges, I mean, I asked my divine mother to take me to the tribunal of divine justice. I thought she was effective in that sense.

Can NEs interfere in a way that the travel sequence of divine mother would be interrumpted and end up being absolutely deceived?.

As I said, I didn't look into their eyes because I gave it for granted and because many of their answers were handed to me in notes, like invoices.

I basically understood "asking when are you gonna stop paying karma?, you got a whole load of karma accumulated you're going to hell" that's what I understood from the note.

In one of the notes they handed to me after I asked why my exgirlfriend did that to me (probably emotions popped out and I asked that question that I wasn't intending to) and they just said "she's a good girl, you should stay away from her (as make me think I was to evil, even though I think not much at least in this life) she's a what do they call it? an oasis in the desert, she just wanted you for this": and handed me a note where there was an image made from pen ink, of 2 persons having sex, the image had a kiddy stick figures look. I thought that felt unprofessional, would they handle you a sex image of stick dummies having sex?.

They just made me feel like they had a harsh treatment on anyone, that I wasn't special, I understood that perhaps a harsh aproached was needed in the tribunal of divine justice. But then I don't know if they were NEs after all?.

One think they absolutely didn't look divine, did I get deceived?. I'm actually thinking the astral can sometimes be more deceiving than instructional.

Hi foxtse,

As far as I understand, unless there's something for us to learn elsewhere, if we ask our Divine Mother to take us somewhere, she will take us there.

That's not to say we'll always wind up there. Sometimes when being taken there we get distracted and lose the experience. Or sometimes a negative entity could influence us before we even ask to go somewhere.

I actually had an experience where I wanted to go somewhere and midway through my travels I wound up in a dream. But I became lucid in my dream and found that I was really flying through the sky to my destination - my Divine Mother was even taking me there while I was dreaming!

The Masters don't have to "look divine" as many people would think. They don't necessarily have to have wings, white robes and halos... they often (not always though) physically look like ordinary people but there is clearly something special about them.

I can very much relate to your sentiments on the astral being deceiving. It isn't so much that the astral is deceiving; if we were fully conscious beings then we wouldn't be deceived. But because there are so many subconscious elements within us, we can easily be deceived. To me, it really shows me how badly I need to Wake Up.

All the best!

Mike

Thanks Mike, after thinking on the drawing of 2 stick dummies having sex. I guess thats NE right?.

Would they be really harsh to people at the tribunal of divine justice.

This leaves a big doubt, and I guess that the only thing I can do, is go there again and look at their eyes and do the conjurations!.

By the way , there's another site called {link removed} and they have a very harsh posture in terms of according to them no matter if you eliminate some egos as long as you dont eliminate them all, do a sacrifice for humanity and do sexual magic you can only end up in hell.

I don't know whats your posture here, their posture seems to be the same as Samael's, and guess the harsh posture could have reflected itself in the astral projection.

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Hi foxtse,

I really can't say since it was your experience - could have been from the egos, too.

When and why we go to Hell is a bit complicated and is explained nicely in the Gnostic Wisdom course.

Just a note, though: if we really make the most of every minute we have, that's the best we can do and we'll be making our way towards real happiness and a brighter future. This certainly includes eliminating the egos, helping others and practicing Alchemy if we are able to.

Kind regards,

Mike

Hi foxtse,

something is wrong. If you really have more than this life left to eliminate the egos, why go to hell before the last life?

best regards Mattias

Yes that could indeed be a point, that it were negs.
We should not forget to use common logic.

Regards, Peter

I asked my divine mother to be sent there again, and indeed This is some kind of falling into lucid dreaming with possible NE. Guess is not that easy to go there right?