That is not quite how it works, you seem to have missunderstood the statement a little, I will try and clarify :)

What is meant is that masters can be invoked using their spiritual name in the astral. They can then show up where you are, and you can then verify that they are a master. This verification can be done in several ways... If you are objective, and the master has not changed his appearance for purpose of teaching or other reasons, you would see him as he appears physically. If you have never seen the master, look at a photograph afterwards and it is same person, then that gives you a strong clue...

Appearance in the astral is a bit different from here though. Someone who strongly believes that Beelzebub is still a demon, and simply want to invoke him on purpose of proving others wrong... Would here likely "repaint" Beelzebub into the appearance of a demon, simply because his inner beliefs override truth and objectivity. If this person has a bit of experience with this sort of "repainting" of appearance, he might be able to detect that this has occured, probably also through strong intuition. If however it is his first few encounters with this phenomena, he could easily be deceived.

In reality there is more to it than this though... Since an awakened master has a radiation of love... This is a more accurate and surefire way to know if he is a master or not. Many less friendly beings can change their appearance to trick you, but they cannot change their energetic nature and pretend to radiate love... They can pretend to act and talk of love, but not radiate and emanate love.

If you hence invoke a being, and he is radiating strong love, you can be sure it is a highly advanced being, and if this energy radiation is strong and you know what is meant by this... Then this is more accurate than a conjuration. You could now ask him if he is Belzebuub, if he says yes, you could be quite certain this is so... Since you know through the radiation he is a master, and it would be unlikely for a being of such degree of development to lie, especially about something like this.

This said, a normal person which is not a master can also be invoked. But this is much trickier, especially if you do not know the person, need to know them really for it to work properly... And if you invoke such a person, he would likely either show up dreaming, or show up in a deeper sleep state...

This person would just like the master look like he does in physical. This is unless you are changing his appearance, or he is changing it...

I am under impression, or it appears that with more developed and open intuition or other chakra based senses... You would be able to recognize who a being is regardless of appearance, easily... Since many non-physical beings are able to do this, and also encountered other living people able to do this to a higher degree when out of body.

The Master is Belzebuub, the person who incarnated said Master is Mark Pritchard. So if the Master Belzebuub appears as Mark Pritchard does, then that means that Mark has built his solar bodies to incarnate his Master.

So then invoking Belzebuub is invoking the Master Belzebuub, and if he appears as Mark Pritchard then you know that Mark has incarnated his Being whose real name you called.

You probably don't know the real names of your friends. It is only revealed at a certain point on the path, I think when you actually incarnate your Being. So finding friends by name would be a different process altogether. The main way to be aware at some place the same time as a friend, is to project at the same time to the same place, or in the same place like a group practicing astral projection that might come out at same times and see each other.

Based on the previous statement made, I thought I'd just clarify something about my post, so not to cause missunderstandings of what I meant.

The reason I mentioned it being harder to invoke people who have not reached mastery, is for the reason Jim mentioned, you do not know their true names. That is why to make it work to invoke someone else, you need to know them and therefor be able to "connect to them" (as I understand it) on a deeper level than by using their true spiritual name.

If you however have a friend X, you can invoke him using the name X, since this is enough to connect to this person, you know him. If however you want to call someone you talked to on this site, and only know their normal name... Then it would be much harder, you might need a picture or something to make it work (but I do not know too much on exactly how strong of a connection is needed).

Someone can for instance invoke you when you are out of body, someone who knows you, or during a dream state etc. However, since you are not a master, you would not really have any control over it...

Just wanted to clarify a little, based on previous statement, hope it was ok :)

Hi Patric!
I just wanted to know if you can explain how you can invoke a normal person, if possible, I have a friend from school whom I share a sort of bond with like were exactly the same in 99% of the ways and we often know what each other are going to say before they say it and so on so I was wondering if I could try to invoke him when I get the chance.

Thank you everybody for your replies!
That does help to clarify it, I had slightly misunderstood the description.

The one thing I don't like the sound of, is what you mentioned about, if you believe he is a demon, he will appear as a demon simply because of that belief.
So looking at the same scenario round the other way, if we all here believe he is a master when really he was a demon we would see him as a master.
I personally am mutual, the main reason I would call him in the astral is to find out which it is, there may be an underlying belief in one or the other, but I like to think I am open-minded for either way.
How do we see the absolute truth, without inteferrence from our own belief systems?
Would being totally aware etc really prevent this?
It is unfortunate that I have seen photos of Belzebuub before invoking, because I will now never be sure if the reason he looks as he does in the physical world, is because my mind is re-creating the pictures I have seen, or because he is has awakened.

Túrin

Thomas,
If you know him it shouldn't be a problem invoking him. Invoking/calling someone is mostly useful with masters and such, but it is a universal function which works with anyone, just harder with for instance a normal person compared to a master. There appear to be a difference in how masters and normal people get the call, but since I am no master I cannot say that for sure...

In any case, to invoke your friend just call out for his name and think of him. You could strengthen it by doing something classical like "In the name of Christ I invoke X. It is as I said harder, but it does work... It could happen that some stranger shows up though, so do not automatically assume the person showing up is the right one (same applies when invoking a master).

If you want to invoke someone you have never met or known, then the above is not certain to work. But with a friend it works. The friend could show up in several ways, either dreaming acting nuts, or in another manner which is different... or if he is conscious out of body show up consciously, but that is of course very unlikely.

>So looking at the same scenario round the other way,
>if we all here believe he is a master when really he
>was a demon we would see him as a master

That is why it is important to neither believe, nor disbelieve, because they both create illusions... Both in this world and in other worlds, just more obvious in other dimensions.

For this to happen though there is a need for emotions clouding your judgement... It is easier for there to be minor changes in appearance (like just changing appearance into that of a friend) due to lack of objectivity, than it is for major changes like making someone into a demon. For that to happen there is a need for strong beliefs... I would personally say.

But in any case, when this kind of change occure, it usually looks "fake". It is hard to describe, but it tend to not look accurate, and mostly seem weird...

In any case however, keep in mind that a master would radiate higher energies of love... This does not change.

>How do we see the absolute truth, without
>inteferrence from our own belief systems?

Trying to remain objective, this is of course hard... But ellimination of egos increase objectivity... Higher degree of wakefulness during experience also makes "repainting" less likely. Mostly when there is a repainting, it is into something you know very well, like a friend or family member. You are not really going to repaint a friend into a fish or something crazy... only reason that could happen is if you believe your friend is a fish ;)

>Would being totally aware etc really prevent this?
Yes

>will now never be sure if the reason he looks as he
>does in the physical world

With some experience you can. But it can be tricky. Even though appearance when out of body plays a role, and is not entirely irrelevant... It does not have same function as here, so the appearance in itself does not really matter that much... The way you look can vary too... You would generally look some years younger than you do today,

In the case of higher beings, the energy radiation is what counts, not their appearance...

There are times when you could perceive some spirit as your friend and still be objective though. Simply because the spirit for instance lack an appearance, or makes it this way. The appearance is not what counts, it all workd quite natural anyways, there is a logic behind most things...

Thanks for your answers Patrik, I will look into all of this myself when I am able.

Turin,

You said "How do we see the absolute truth, without inteferrence from our own belief systems?"

How is it possible? Is this real? This forum? Jim B.? Is he real? Who knows?

Ultimately you can only rely on experience itself. "I think, therefore I am."

I think the experience of meeting a Master is worth the effort to invoke him or her. In my experience it is never what would be expected, and the experience is for you, not for proof to someone else, or even to you, since nothing is absolute. Even a Master can fall right? Master today, fallen tomorrow... Who knows? The experience. The teachings in practice, are they fruitful?

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

--Jeshua, from Matthew 7:16-18

Best wishes,
Jim

Thanks Jim, you are correct in that I am only relying upon experience in this physical realm.
However in the astral world, if it is true that our belief systems directly create what we experience, then we can not rely on the experience alone, without bringing into account the world of belief.

The effort of invoking a master may surely be worth the effort, but I wouldn't want that effort to go to waste, if I was unable to decipher what was real or simply a projection of my mind dependant upon my inner belief systems.

Túrin