I believe the details that samael aun weor wrote about the 'jinn state' are in the 'yellow book', though it was one of the books he said he had made mistakes in, and doesn't recommend reading it until your able to pick out the possible mistakes.

If I recall correctly that is where you will find some information on it. Maybe someone else around here can share some knowledge on the subject more than I though.

Hi Moon,

Happy New Year to you too and to everyone!

"Three Mountains" by Samael Aun Weor, Chapter 8 gives one of the formulas to get there.
Yes, it is the 4th dimension.

All the best!

Vadim

thanks, yeah i got the formula.
i merely wonder if any advanced APer here is able to
do it, if i understand correctly, one should be able to leave with the *physical body* into jinn state... and then there is also the Jinas or the *Jinn created out of smokefire* much talked about in Islam/Arab religious books, is this another thing or the same thing.

thanks again. Happy Yule.

moon

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There are some books that Samael speak of the Jinas/Jinn states (which is the same thing, only he uses different terms in earlier/later/different books) that contain more information than others. However generally the amount of information on this state is quite limited in any specific book. Rather there is little information here and there in many books, so to find proper information there is a need to search through many books and not just one or two single ones.

The essence of the jinas or jinn states is to enter the 4th dimension (said to be done with physical body).

This is not a simple thing however, and it migth be a good idea to have had some out of body experiences before attempting this. I have not personally done these jinas practises, but based on Samaels writings techniques are very similar to leaving body, but with a few differences which makes it trickier.

You can however enter the state of jinas from an out of body state. Samael gives a technique to do this by invoking the physical body and then have it enter you.

yes thank you Patrick, i have checked today, the information im looking for is in that book indeed, just wanted to find other references regarding it. i wonder if any of you have english translation of krumm hellers books. thy are all in spanish :-)

anyway thanks again guys.

moon

Looking at the mystery, is probably the book containing most references and has most stories about the Jinn/Jinas state among Samael's books.

J",)

Hi Yara,

The Jinas state is something very interesting indeed. I've tried once that technique of invoking the physical body from the astral, and although I'm not sure it was truly my physical body that came it was very interesting experience! Still if you try to experiment this method be sure what you let into your astral body, always conjure if in doubt.

goodluck!

thanks Pavlin ",)

ive read that this is an advanced practice and one should work with pranayama first before proceeding ... i have a question, when summoning the physical body in the astral is one should be in the bedroom where he can actually see his physical body ?? is it necessary that one actually see his physical body lying down? thats very scarey thing

If I am not misstaken the statement or need to practise pranayama before was made in one of the earlier books, in which he states things a little differently than he does in later books.

To get a good idea of how the practise of the jinn state works, I think it is good and needed to read about it in several of his books. Since the information is usually very limited in one specific place, only by summarizing the information from several of his books you get a good idea of what it is and how it works.

This does of course not mean that practising pranayama is not good, but in order to know weither it is needed or not, and in your specific case, there would need to be practise anyways. To invoke the body from the astral would also be very different than entering the jinas state through an ordinary practise.

I have not invoked my physical body myself, but considering that Samael state he done that when working in Asia, as well as stating he could have done it if he chosoe to when traveling in space and around another planet, you should not have to be near it or see it.