Demons, bad guys, Pain, lucidicity, death, end of the world.

Hello Midknight and wellcome to Gnosticweb.

About the pain I have no clue. As for negative entities, it differes from person to person, some don't meet them at all, while others like you are constantly being attaked. Why? No idea.

A few powerful conjuration are given in the Dreams and Astral Travel course offered here for free, so if you are interested in the exploration of astral plane, this course is very beneficial.

Here is one of the conjuration you may try next time the demons will throw they tricks on you:

Bellilin, Bellilin, Bellilin, amphora of salvation, I would like to be next to you, materialism has no strenght next to me, Bellilin, Bellilin, Bellilin.

Bellilin is a divine wind. You sing it internally in full concentration.

Hopefuly you will manage to surpass them.

I want to add something that Gyorgi missed and that is when you sing the conjuration internally you have to say it 3 times in a row and not just once and being full focused you have to say it with faith and strength that it will work.

I have had dreams with the devil but not with demons and I have never been able to see him directly but what these dreams show to me is if I will give up in egos by believing in what the devil will say or what I will do in that moment ........ Thank God they are rare! :)

Maybe you can give a prayer before you go to sleep too. 

All the best! 

Thank you Nadia for correcting me, it is important to pronounce this conjuration 3 times.

Thanks for the reply! Unfortunately, the various conjurations that I learned from the astral course (now under a different name I see.) Didn't stop the negative entities, and in some ways I think they might of made them worse. Of course, I will review the pronunciation and give them another fair shot. It can't hurt to try again!

I'm just nervous that I've been targeted, and that it will take more will than I have to get past the negative entities.

I've also always been a little weary of gnosticism, not because of my spiritual beliefs, but really because of other peoples, so I was nervous before to use the conjurations.

I also notice that even though I am aware I am dreaming, I definitely have an altered consciousness from my normal day to day. I am more prone to doing things I know I shouldn't, and am easily strayed away mentally, and I am thinking now, on a random thought really, that it may be possible I am only very slightly aware at all.

On specific note, the catholic churches stance that by astral projecting you are making your spirit more prone to molestation does seem to have some validity to it from my experience. Even though I'm not catholic, and wouldn't really call my self Christian, or religious, it's a lot harder to keep that state of mind when your there, getting molested by demons. :P (Added for light hearted tone! :P)

But I still find myself in uncertainty about specific practices, and even about listening to Samael or Beezelbub (Sp?) Simply because of their history in ultimate terms.

Which may all contribute to the conjurations not working in and of itself.

Sorry for rambling on here. It's just been a weird last couple of days for me.

Thanks again for your replies guys!

Hi Midknight,

I think, with recitations (conjurations) it's important to practice them a lot to have more strength in them.

I had an experiences, when I was just starting my conjuration and negative entities were already gone, however somtimes it was taking as much as pronouning them 3 times, as it was mentioned, to get the desired effect.

All the best with them!

Vadim

Hello Migknight,

Besides conjurations, praying the our father (also with willpower and strenght) a few times before sleeping or trying to astral project can do wonders.

When trying to project, there shouldn't be any pain; sometimes when you think you are still trying to project, you could already be in the astral world and the pain you feel at that moment is a projection of your own mind.

Try to approach the practise as naturally as possible without forcing anything. Avoiding heavy meals before going to sleep and relaxing the mind in the evening can prevent nightmares or even unwanted encounters.

I just thought I'd update you guys a little. I just remembered a partially aware astral experience that I had last night. I say partially aware because I don't remember it well at all, and I only recalled it when I got on here today and was replying to thoughts on Samael and his past.

But I do recall using the belillin conjuration, not in it's entirety, for some reason I couldn't remember it in it's entirety while I was there, but even with some improvisations, and will, it was starting to work.

So maybe there is hope for me yet. :P

*I've never projected without the pain before. While I know I have had projections of a split while in a dream, I also have had wake to astral splits, and the pain, in particular the the pressure in the teeth is always there. It's unnerving, and at times feels more real than real.

If it's just a projection, it's going to be very hard to eliminate for me, as it's already cemented in my experience. But, I will try your other advice and see if I can't cast the pain aside.

Though, I should mention, while the pain is there and is very real, it generally isn't terrifying, or enough to stop me. Not unless I feel doubt that I am splitting, and then slip into a slight panic attack about having a stroke. Which in and of itself can be a humbling experience to say the least.

I am hesitant to pray to God, or any one else, which will probably limit the effectiveness of it. But I'll give it my best shot and see if I can muster enough sincere desire for help to get past my pride!

Thanks for the replies again!

Hi Midknight,

Thank you for your update!

As I understand it, pain is very untypical for most of the astral experiences to take place.
Usually astral experiences are very pleasant, it feels amazing to be in that dimension!

Probably, the best advice is to still keep checking out if you force anything, like Martijn said, and if it is the case, then to investigate how you can deepen your relaxation.

If we are too tired or a bit sick, then, I beleive, it's the best just to take some rest and then go on with the practices later again when you will restore yourself.

With a prayers, I know, it can be very hard to trust in any beings you have never seen...but they are there, like we breathe air, but we can't see it, those beings are there too, but unfortunately we can't see them in the terrible psychological state we start the work.

Maybe you can find Jasmin's and Jim's blogs helpful

http://www.gnosticweb.com/node/12645

http://www.gnosticweb.com/node/13184

All the best!

Thanks for the reply, I'll check out the blogs!

In the event that I get out of my body, and I am not being bothered by negative entities, which I'm just going to call demons for ease of typing's sake, the astral is always a fun experience. Though I rarely find the time to do anything useful, and often find myself just wandering and doing short bursts of rather irregular flying :)

The pain during the split is pretty unique, and yet consistent.
Where as pain in other situations, such as when the wolves attacked me was rather sporadic, and in a lot of ways, felt like pain in the same way that pain feels when you are extremely drunk. (Which for the record, along with bacon, I tend to avoid)

Also, about the praying, it's not just a lack of trust, I mean, if I really truly believed in God, I would have no problem trusting him. And I trust him as much as my agnostic perception of religions and Gods allows me to. But it's a sort of warped pride issue.

I feel guilty asking for help in some strange way. And I feel like I should be able to do it on my own. Like I shouldn't need the help of a superior being. I don't want to submit. Thats really what it is. To accept the help, would be to submit to them in some small way, and, that does bother me as of now.

Theres no real way around that except experience and attempts at humility though. So, we'll see what kind of pride I can cast aside in the coming weeks :)

hey Midnight,

The pain can be caused by an ego or a neg. In both cases it is good to look into your egos in usual daytime life, also cause the negs feed and/or stir up egos. Try to understand yourself and to eliminate them as taught in the gnostic wisdom course.
Can try to meditate on the teeth thing.
It is good not to fear, easier said than done:)

Conjuration are only powerful when said with faith, intention that they work. You can imagine that deep down you are stronger than all those useless negs.

When it comes to believe, just try to believe in yourself, it is already a good achievement these days...
As we all have a spark of Divine in us.

When you want a useful mission in the astral (when you are aware over there), ask yourself; Divine mother take me to be taught, then jump with intention of flying, don't start thinking, just do it.
Or can ask to be taught about the splitting pain.
Also look for symbolic dreams with intuition.

goodluck, peter