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Sat, 12/22/2007 - 09:37
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Túrin
Join Date: 2007-09-11 Forum Posts: 233 |
I would be interested in people's personal interpretations of the following quote from the Gospel Of Thomas because it is confusing to me: 55. Yeshúa says: Whoever does not hate his father and his mother will not be Thanks Túrin |
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Join Date: 2005-01-26
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I think he's talking about teaching people not to hate, since his message is of Love.
If you already know no hate in your heart for anyone, then why do you need to be taught not to hate? Yeshua needs not teach anyone something they already know.
I could be right or wrong, I can't find the text right now to see in what context he's talking.
Find him in the astral and ask him?
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Join Date: 2003-12-29
Forum Posts: 783
Hey Túrin,
Hmmm... that certainly doesn't come across as very nice as a literal interpretation.
Maybe the mother and father in this case represent the various things that ground us to this physical world - various desires, etc. And the brothers and sisters could be our terrible legions of egos that we often confuse with ourselves (we often accept our own anger, lust, anxiety, etc. instead of getting rid of them thereby not progressing spiritually).
It reminds me a lot of that quote "He who loves his life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it to life eternal." (John 12:25)
Here, as I understand it, we see that by loving our present condition with all our egos we will have nothing but by struggling against the evil within we will find peace and reach salvation.
Kind regards,
Mike
Join Date: 2007-09-11
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Thanks guys for your input, I like how you put that and described that Mike, it is an intriguing quote but i assume it will have a less literal meaning
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Each saying can have multiple meanings to it. I think that any interpretation assosiated with the internal work and goodness is possible here like Apakhana and Mike have suggested.
A literal interpretation is possible as well, but "hate" should be understood correctly, because in order to love, we have to understand hatred, libarate love from hatred, otherwise experience it directly as it will come up while the cross is being carried.
As we are "carrying our crosses", many great things that were hidden from us before are revealing them selves to us. I find that my understanding of Gospels and sayings from them is growing as I grow internaly, and this growth is the rersult of struggling consciousness under the heavy weight of psychlogical defects, egos or sins, and judgment of others is a big aspect of hatred.
So who ever haven't yet experienced internal judgment towards others and many other things that are directly realted to hatred, this person is not carying his cross.
Join Date: 2005-10-30
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Some good interpretations were already told here. Here is what it meant to me when I read it.
To me it means that we must abandon those that we love as they are our attachment in dependencies of comfort, purpose and identity. Only our consciousness is capable to love unconditionally, thus our relationship with our family have service to our egos as well. For example when we are faced with giving our life to save ours child life, is that unconditional love or just parental instinct? But what about our service to our divine father and divine mother, whom we will fail in our death. When we incarnate Christ in us we will have whole of humanity as our family and be terribly sadden to see that they are not interested in their own freedom.
We must sacrifice our family bonds in order to incarnate Christ in us. Our family loves us as Ego-personality (they spend lots of time trying to shape it after all) and thus they will work against us when we are attempting to kill this Ego-personality in us. We will be taking great diversion in our life from theirs, that might not be in agreement to them and from their love for us will attempt to bring us in the realm of comfort and safety as they know it. I have encountered many in the past that were fear stricken with the Jesus statement where he bids us to Die onto ourselves. When interpreted literally it is very frightening. With out esoteric perspective it means to them that we must physically die in order for our spirit to be free. It is very frightening to our own egos too, for they know it is them that must die.
Wishing you all a great spiritual morning.