Drug induced OBE's???

Hi Khafre,

Astral experiences which are induced by drugs orginate from the infernal part of the astral world (every other dimension has its counterpart) and are not of a spiritual nature. Although people claim to have had spiritual experiences through the use of drugs, they are fooled by the dark side so to speak.

Eventually drugs make it more difficult to astral project, because they can damage the astral body.

Kind regards,

Martijn

Interestingly I have been put off every site I have come across of this nature.
Because there was so much discussion about drugs.
I feel for me it is a spiritual thing coming from our very essence, the
idea of using drugs seems utterly to miss the point.

I have to say I was always in the minority and would receive
some very sharp acidic replies.

Best

Yeah, I got caught up a long time ago in the idea that drugs can be "spiritual," but have had to learn the hard way that is not the case.

And I don't know why I never put my ideals to the test, I mean like back then why I didn't bring Jeshua or the Buddha to mind, and ask myself, 'Do you think Jeshua used drugs to be Master?' Because obviously in me that answer is 'No.' It is "utterly to miss the point."

Are you in the minority here?

Peace,
Jim

Hi Jim

Time will tell!

Thats a point I used to make.
Can you imagine all the worlds spiritual leaders past and present
popping pills, shooting up etc etc.

No, there is no way I can imagine it either.

As much as I enjoy smoking marijuana and as much as I do feel I learn while under its influence, I have to agree that it is not necessarily a road that leads to true spirituality or growth for me. I have also had a mushroom trip, and while it was conconcretely incredible and some of the things I felt and thought while tripping have stuck with me in very positive ways, I still do agree that I would be misguided to think of substances as being a true path to wisdom. I have fallen into seasons of smoking the MJ too often, and during those times I always find myself craving and craving my natural clarity of thought. I really have been learning that sober mindedness is a necessary discipline that I need to stick with if I want to grow and learn in the things I most desire.

Khafre,

Try this thread http://www.gnosticweb.com/node/16095. Try not to be put off by the strong negative language in these forums. Many people here come from a background in mainstream religion and continue to inadvertently perpetuate some of the less transparent tactics of those traditions, like threatening dire consequences to your actions. Question everything that anyone claims is truth. Waste little time contemplating subjective foolishness. Search inside yourself for truth.

Find God so that God may find himself.

Red

Hi Khafre,

Master Rabolu investigated the effects of drugs in the higher dimensions. I have included an excerpt of his findings:

"If we go further, to the fifth dimension, we will be able to see the drug-addict's astral body walking like an idiot, a wild madman making and breaking and if we look inside this astral body, we can see this what we call Ego - the demons that we carry within us - are having a party. Why? Because by means of drugs, one is feeding the psychological elements which we must destroy. In return, drugs serve as food for those elements.

If you carry on to the mental body to examine the brain of a drug-addict, you will see how the brain cells are being destroyed. Fissures begin to appear and open apart, the brain cells start to rot, destroying themselves. All this affects the physical part in the way that the person becomes unbalanced and commits atrocities due to the mental instability and the rupture of the mental body. And still there is something even more serious.

If we go to the Causal World, the Essence gets to suffer the consequences of drugs, as it is in a deep slumber like a drunkard wishing to fall down to the floor. This is the way one sees a drug-addict's Essence.

Now you can see the damages that drugs cause not only in the three-dimensional aspect of a person doing drugs, but in the inner aspect as well. This is fatal.

People who have done drugs will take much more time to wake up their consciousness until they are able to heal (rectify) little by little by means of the energy itself, the atrocities done in themselves by drugs. There is havoc in the inner bodies."

(Taken from V.M Rabolu's Christmas Message 88-89)

Strength to everyone!

Amy

Hi Amy,

If you carry on to the mental body to examine the brain of a drug-addict, you will see how the brain cells are being destroyed. Fissures begin to appear and open apart, the brain cells start to rot, destroying themselves. All this affects the physical part in the way that the person becomes unbalanced and commits atrocities due to the mental instability and the rupture of the mental body.

I thought you might be interested to see this:

http://www.amenclinic.com/bp/spect_rotations/viewimage.php?img=da_CS.gif

If you're interested in comparing to a healthy brain:

http://www.amenclinic.com/bp/spect_rotations/

This is an image of the holes & fissures that drug use causes. It affects the physical body too whether people want to admit it or not. I'm thinking anything destructive we do to our physical body, affects us spiritually. They aren't separate. That's why egos light to be gluttonous, lazy, addictive, etc. & tell you that drug use is o.k. for spiritual purposes.

Doctors damamged my body with medicines for a long time. I'm still working on healing myself from years of medical abuse. Thank God I finally woke up in that respect.

Dusty

I have been smoking pot occasionaly as of late and granted I have realized that it may put a "cap" on how far I can go in meditation, it feels like I go into myself faster, also it has helped me find my animal guide, went out 3 times last week after using pot and calling for my animal guide to come and all 3 times a honey bee came to me. One time I asked it specifically to come to the blue flowers I was sitting by, and a honey bee or some kind of bee came and sat there for a second, stared at me and then flew off. LSD can induce OBE's I beleive but they are very uncontrollable, bad things can happen and I don't think anyone should attempt to use a drug to obtain an OBE, obtaining knowledge from an altered state of mind may be possible, but OBE's wouldn't be safe.