Hello Diane

I have never experienced anything like what you have described, i have gotten scared as i was going into the astral, and stopped the experience.

Lighting a smudge stick (sage) will clear the room of all negative energies before you sleep. May help you have more spiritual experiences.

I wish i could answer your questions but this is out of my area. I hope you find some answers.

I will pray for you diane.

Have a great day/night...

Hello Diane,

I can not help you that much but I will tell you onr thing I' am shure of: stop talking to those beings once and for all. Keep on praying even harder and try this conjuration next time they grab and hold you against your will;

"Bellilin,Bellilin,Bellilin, amphora of salvation, I would like to be next to you, materialism has no strenght next to me, Bellilin, Bellilin, Bellilin".

You have to repeat it three times in a singing voice coming from your senserest intention to be saved. Bellilin is a divine wind, it should blow those negative beings like leafs.

Never stop praying.

Hi

Thank you Pure and gyorgi for replying,

I never heard about “smudge stick (sage)” before, but I researched it after you mentioned it, and now I know, so I’ll try it when I found out from where to get it.

Couple of months ago, a woman told me to spray some kind of perfume made out of natural flowers and water that she prepared, also she gave me a bracelet to hold in my hand to protect me, she said that she brought it from India, her master gave it to her, and she thinks that it meant to be for me, after I told her my story. I did what she told me, but it is not working, I keep on leaving my body involuntarily, and have these things grabbing me and holding me, touching me, scratching me, and telling me all kind of things, and some other stuff

I’ll try what you suggested, thank you very much

Also, I’ll try the mantra:

"Bellilin,Bellilin,Bellilin, amphora of salvation, I would like to be next to you, materialism has no strenght next to me, Bellilin, Bellilin, Bellilin".

Suggested by gyorgi,

Thank you again,

If someone have had similar experiences, please share it with me. This could help us understand what is going on and over come it,

Best,

Hi Diane

These mantras have been in the astral travel course but are now in the gnostic wisdom course, there you will learn another mantra which works against negativity. These mantras and other tools are in the book a course in astral travel and dreams, it is optional for the obe and dreams course, but i can highly recommend it as it goes into more detail then the online course.

Another thing that you can do when you are out of your body is to ask your divine parents (higher aspects of yourself) to bring you to a different place, somewhere where you can learn something.

All the best with your experiences
jonny

Hi, Diane!

When I have had these kind of experiences I have always invoked my Divine Mother (with faith and love) and have always been assisted. One time I got to a place and was surrounded by some strange people who wanted to hurt me. They were walking towards me with the intention of attacking me, but then I invoked my Divine Mother three times and I felt like somebody pulling me upwards, onto the sky with a great force and then I appeared in a different place. You can also do this and pray a lot. You can also invoke Master Samael and His Martian Angels in order to protect and guide you in the Astral plane.

Best regards,

Hi Diana,

Wow this was quite an interesting read :)

First of all, you leave your body every time you go to sleep. The difference between an OBE and a normal sleep is that you are conscious of the split during an OBE. This is only natural. It's too appropriate to quote Judas from "The Flight of the Feathered Serpent" here:

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"Many men often notice the possibility of coming out of the coffin, and understand the word coffin literally; they stick their heads to the borders, but the idea of freedom that they see scares them and they soon come back to their coffins and even close the top with spikes so nothing disturbs their sleep."

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"And by evoking the glorious forces of Life, simultaneously you have evoked the sinister forces of Death.

"The former and the latter are yourself, so do not fear.

"Confront them, know them, subdue them.

"Your destiny is to be Master of both."

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I often have found myself calling on Christ to expel negative beings. '3' seems to be the magic number as well, if once you don't succeed, say it at least 3 times WITH FAITH. Also putting your hand over your solar plexus can help guard against attacks.

All energy is sexual, so this is why the attacks are often sexual. The chaste sexual energies are the spiritual energies.

These beings, these attacks, can't actually harm you physically, they can really scare you though, so my advice is to fight that fear and pray pray pray, for what is best, for strength and guidance.

Best wishes,
Jim B.

Hi jonny 5

Is there a certain order for taking the courses? I mean is one course a pre-requisite for another?

I was trying to sign up for the Gnostic wisdom course because you mentioned that it contains mantras and conjurations to help dispel negativity. But it is not allowing me; I received a message saying that I have to take couple of courses before talking Gnostic wisdom,

Is there a way to take Gnostic wisdom first?

I already have had lots of OBEs, and I like to stop them, at least until I find a way to stop the negative things that are attacking me.
These days I feel I need a break; I am tired of leaving my body frequently, and being attacked.

Hi kwan yin,

Thank you for sharing your experience,

When I am being grabbed by these negative things, I call On GOD (which means to me, the highest power and love), but I don’t get helped. Strangely enough, many times, when I am in the astral praying, and meditating on GOD, peace, love… I get attacked. And the evil thing don’t let go of me, I ask god to help, I fight them, I stay still, I talk to them… no matter what I do, I can’t seem to get rid of them. Even if few times I succeeded to return to my body for a short time, they take me from my body again.

I haven’t had an OBE for about a week now, I get out of bed at the time when my OBEs usually occur.

But something new is happening. I hear a loud sound that I don’t know how to describe; I hear it 3 times. One wakes me up around 4:00 AM. I get up and turn all the lights on. I hear it again even if I am awake on my feet, and then I hear it a third time much softer than the first two. This is starting to scare me…

I really feel confused, and terrified. Can these things hurt us in the physical?

I really don’t know why my experiences are different from other people who posted theirs on this site. It seems like every one has more control over their experiences. I don’t initiate mines, God doesn't listen to me, and when I get terrified I don’t get back to my body…:(

Anyways, I really don’t mean to whine a lot, It is just these things are happening to me, and I don’t know who to tell. I spoke to one woman only, she is involved with spirituality but doesn’t have OBEs, and she moved. So now I don’t know who to speak to. My family and friends don’t believe in these things at all. Even me, I still find it hard to believe what is happening to me.

Thank you all again,

Regards,

Hi Diane

You have to take the three courses first, about meditation, OBEs and dreams and about self discovery. These three courses can be taken in any order.
I recommend to take them all as they complement each other. What you experience in your OBEs and dreams for example depends on what is going on within your psyche, but the psyche is covered in the self discovery course. By taking all of them you will have a much wider understanding of what is happening with you and your overall situation.
No these things can't hurt you in the physical.

jonny

Hey Diane,

You could try send an email to helpdesk at helpdesk@gnosticweb.com and explain them your situation and maybe they will send you conjurations before the Gnostic Wisdom course.

Good luck

Hi, Diane!

I dont want to scare you, but there are certainly some strong negative entities that can manifest themselves in the physical plane. Some of these are called demons, black magicians and disembodied witches. On many ocassions, these cases are attributed to witchcraft or black magic. There are certain procedures that some black magicians use to produce these phenomena. Thats why I recommended to invoke Master Samael before going to sleep and in the Astral. Someone mentioned earlier about the Belilin, which is very powerful (I have got splendid results with it) and Christ invocation. A short conjuration would be like this: "In the name of Jupiter, father of the Gods, I conjure thee, TE VIGOS COSSILIM", you do this by placing your left arm on your solar plexus and extending your right arm with the thumb, middle and index fingers towards the entity. This can also be done mentally because sometimes they put something in your tongue so that you cant speak or say anything. Also, the five pointed star (the pentagram), with the superior point of the pentagram pointing up (this can be menatally drawn). Here's also the Conjuration of the seven, which is also useful:

Conjuration of the Seven of Solomon the Sage

1. “In the name of Michael, may Jehovah command thee and drive thee hence, Chavajoth!
2. In the name of Gabriel, may Adonai command thee, and drive thee hence, Bael!
3. In the name of Raphael, begone before Elial, Samgabiel!
4. By Samael Sabaoth, and in the name of Elohim Gibor, get thee hence, Andrameleck!
5. By Zachariel et Sachiel-Meleck, be obedient unto Elvah, Sanagabril!
6. By the divine and human name of Shaddai, and by the sign of the Pentagram, which I hold in my right hand, in the name of the angel Anael, by the power of Adam and Eve, who are Iod-Chavah, begone Lilith! Let us rest in peace, Nahemah!
7. By the holy Elohim and by the names of the Genii Cashiel, Sehaltiel, Aphiel and Zarahiel, at the command of Orifiel, depart from us Moloch! We deny thee our children to devour!