to sex or not to sex?

Hi Foxtse,

From what I understand, sex is not only the cause of all of us to be here in this world and live, but is the essential part of spiritual development.
Practice of Alchemy is the 2d key-component of the spiritual work, besides elimination of the egos and helping spiritually for others.

But also, in my view, sex very oftenly becomes the very root of the wicked slavery towards material world, cycles of pleasure-pain, sexual addiction which usually is only noticable when there is a seperation from the partner, tremendous waste of energy, the source of feeding egos and "keeping the eyes closed", etc.

I am sure also, that it is the best not to explain this whole practice here, in the public forums.
First of all, they can be accessed by everyone, including children, and secondly, the explanation of the practice of Alchemy has numerous small and still important details to learn about, without taking them into consideration, Alchemy won't work properly and can even be counterproductive and harmful.
I remember, before it was taking the whole 2 weekly topics from the course for its explanation. So I beleive that it is the best to learn Alchemy from Gnostic Wisdom course.

Courses are still delayed at the current moment, and If you have to take other courses before the Gnostic Wisdom course, really interested into spiritual side of sex, and well, you are in the relationship right now, I can suggest you to contact any of the Gnosticweb centers personally and explain them your situation so they can help you.

http://www.gnosticweb.com/content/courses-gnostic-centers

Good luck!

Vadim

Hey foxtse,

Alchemy practice that Vadim is reffering to is not the same as a tantric practice you mentioned. One of the most important difference between those two is that in alchemy a couple should withdraw before coming close to orgasm, while in the "modern" tantric practice an orgasm is prolonged without ejaculating semen, but nevertheless an orgasm is reached and a person goes through corresponding consequences. Alchemy practice as taught by Gnosticweb is very different then "modern" tantric practice.

what do you mean by orgasm reached and a person going through corresponding consequences?, why would an orgasm be bad even if you don´t ejaculate.

In my experience, when I reached close to orgasm and holding back the ejaculation causes pain in sex organ. The pain can last almost 12 hours. There is also feeling of depression and negativity. Dealing with egos become difficult for couple of days.

If I don't get close to orgasm at all, I'm able to trasmute the energy more effectively. I feel much stronger to deal with egos. Although it may feel much initially, after practicing for few days, it gets better and I can feel the vibrations when pronouncing the mantras mentally.

Regards,
Siva

Hey Foxtse,

This is explained in depth in Gnostic Wisdom course but in short what I ment is the following; sexual energy is very important for overall spiritual work, especially in the stage when a couple is working with alchemy, and when that energy is wasted on orgasm (be it through intentional or unintentional fall i.e. wet dream) consciousness then suffer consequences. For example you may find it difficult to be aware, to concentrate, thoughts crazily going through mind etc. And even if a person don't ejaculate when orgasm is reached, orgasm is still reached and it is with orgasm that sexual energy is wasted.

Sex with the loss of the Ens Seminis (Semen) is a very bad thing. It is an unforgivable action. The semen, and the sexual energy must be used positively to crystalize our inner bodies. When we connect sexually we are united with that person for eternity. The neophyte must withdraw from the sexual practice of Alchemy before ejaculation. The student should withdraw long before the spasms even start. Regarding the feeding egos part, even without ejaculation, you are still feeding the ego when you give in to the sexual urges. Instead, don't focus on the urges, but do not ignore them either.
"There is a black practice in which (conscious or unconscious) black magicians enjoy the orgasm as animals, but keep the semen inside."

I have found the same results as Siva explains in his post here.

It is definitely worth looking into in oneself, anyone interested should pray for guidance, and watch out for any addiction to the pleasure mechanism, including dreaming of some way to have "pure" sex with still having orgasm -- orgasm is orgasm whether internal or external. It is a desire for pleasurable spasm, just self-justified. Instead we need to seriously look into these egos of Lust which drive us, even in everyday life, Lust for power of becoming Master, or power of being a teacher, or for authority, or for judging, or for knowledge, Lust drives us into the Abyss, right? Lust which causes us to try so hard. Instead don't we need to learn how to be pure and perfect as our Father in Heaven is perfect?

Learn to practice sex as an act of Love, and there is no need for any kind of orgasm whatsoever. Instead of every moment being toward some "goal," then it becomes every moment and breath is in and of itself complete and perfect.

It is difficult to understand this, that how can one Love fully in THIS moment if one is always striving toward some end result? If one is always lusting after something, no matter how "spiritual" it may seem?

I didn't intend for this post to become so long, but just writing got me thinking.

Peace,
Jim

Hi,

If anyone here is not familair with the works of Wilhelm Reich, I urge you look into him.
He pioneered a new energy/technology he called "Orgone" energy. His findings were burned and his technology destroyed.

Here is a clipit:

"Reich called his discovery Orgone energy but tragically it was a discovery that the world was not yet ready for. Reich's clinical observation demonstrated that sexual energy and sexual satisfaction in fact alleviated neurotic symptoms. He discovered that the function of the orgasm is to maintain and energy equilibrium in the body by discharging excess biological energy that builds up naturally in the body, if that discharge function is disturbed as it proved to be the case in all of his patients, this energy continues to build up with out adequate release stagnating and fueling neurotic disorders."

Contradictory findings to alot of spiritual practices isn't it.

Even though he publicly opposed the nazi regime, what remains unknown to me is that, regarding his German background and nature of his work, was Reich part of the black-gnostic serpent cults the nazis aligned with?

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Not only contradictory to the spiritual practice of Alchemy, but contradictory to experience itself, and just another excuse to stay tied to the wheel.

Yes but I'm sorry, this whole thing still doesn't make sense.

For a thing I know Jesus Christ didn't teach much about sex, it seems that Budha didn't as well, etc.
That Jesus will resurect one day and say "hey sorry people, the teaching of the way of sex was lost and so are you"

So where are you getting your conclusions?, are you telling me that most part of humanity is cursed for an improper way to have sex?, and only a few will succeed in the spiritual path thanks to this?.

I know for a fact that withdrawling before orgasm will only make you acumulate sexual energy (semen). I also know that this makes oneself very uncomfortable and anxious more and more.

Also I've only met one gnostic person in my whole life, how are you supposed to come up to your christian wife and tell her "hey, we need to have sex without orgasm, and other kinds of stuff for us to do alchemy".

This doesn't make much sense to me.