coming back to the same place twice

Hello Ido,

The only way to be certain is to have such an experience. By attempting asrtal projection practices you can project and see for your self.

I have projected more then once into my room, and yes, some things were different there almost at every projection. But it all depends on your awareness state while you are in the astral and maybe many other things as well. Otherwise, you project into a place and it is the same as it was the last time you were in it.

With dreams it is even more interesting. Recently I saw a dream where I was in the same place as in one of my dreams half a year ago, only this time I saw what was further. It is as if I have stoped there and after six month continued my journey of the same dream.

But all of it is to confusing to understand right now, experience shows that it is best to keep on investigating and maybe things will be revealed as it has been with some confusing esoteric issues.

My experience can not directly answer your question, as anybody else's experience either.Investigate it your self.

Thank you Gyorgi, for your answer.
It is very interesting. I've never had an "on going" dream. Yet, during a conversation,
today, I've heard two similar stories, about dreams that were "picked up" from the moment they were left, where the time gape between the dreams was of a few month, or even a year. These are kind of lucid dreams, for the dreamer, no doubt, has some
awareness. It is a very interesting phenomena . it looks as if these dreams are part of a different reality . for you were able to create continuity in time (I've asked for continuity in space, but it is as equally intriguing) . isn't continuity one of the
characters of reality ? or at least, a certain way of checking reality?
Thanks for sharing.

Hi Ido,

Yes, I think you can use continuity to check your reality.

For instance if you have a haircut one day and then you have a dream where your hair was its original length, then that might tell you that you're dreaming if you can realise it.

Then you could wake up from the dream into the astral and go exploring!

David

thank you for the comet, david g.
what you're saying is - comparison of facts can help you recognize an distinguish between a dream and reality and help you wake up in dreams. i agree. i had another dream , few days ago, in which i saw a full moon. then it stroked me- for i sow the moon just before i went to sleep and it was half full. i remember i thought it is impossible, in my dream, and had a faze acknowledgment that i was dreaming, but the insensibility of the situation just woke me up. completely.

in my first comet, i meant something else. what is the definition of reality? it is well organized, in time and space. it is conscious- all your senses are getting continuous information, and your consciousness or brain or whats so ever, classifies and organizes this information continuously. in a lucid dream or in virtual reality, it is the same. so what makes them less real ?
i think what i look for is a proof for the existence of the astral realm. where is it located? is it external to the I or internal? or to be more exact- is it as external as the physical reality? or internal and than a part of physical reality? if we are to seek for answers by our own experience, than we must ask questions that can be answered experimentally, i think.
thank you again and all the best

Hi Ido,

Too bad realising you were in a dream woke you up completely. I've had that happen before too and I'd much rather have stayed in the astral! Maybe next time it happens you can pull your finger to see if it stretches or jump and see if you float. If something happens to show you you're not in the physical then hopefully things would make a bit more sense and you might be able to stay there longer rather than waking up physically!

If I understand your question properly, I can only really answer mostly intellectually and with the relatively small amount of experience I've had in the astral plane. I think reality in the astral plane is what you experience when there's no influence from your thoughts or emotions, and that outside of those influences reality there is continuous.

Just like if you're in daily life and you're daydreaming then you don't see reality properly, because of the nature of the astral, if you're there and those daydreams continue they become real and project themselves around you like a bubble so you don't see reality or what's actually in the astral plane. If your experiences in the astral feel like they're less real than what you experience physically then it's probably the influence of your subconscious affecting them.

You can get proof of the existence of the astral in a few different ways. As I understand it everything in the physical (trees, cars, chairs, houses etc) all have an astral part of them just as people have an astral body. So to do an experiment you could have someone put an object in a room in daily life, and then in the astral you could go into that room and find out what the object was.

You can also meet people in the astral and have a conversation and come back to the physical and talk to them about it. That kind of thing has happened a few different times I think in the all night practices that are run at the end of the OBEs and Dreams course on this site. If you can find out about something like that in the astral and then verify it here, then you'd know for sure the astral is real!

I think in a way the astral is internal and external. It's definitely real though, not just a figment of the imagination.

Have you done the OBEs and Dreams course? If not I think you'd really like it, it would clarify the questions you're asking a lot better, and would give you the exercises needed to investigate the answers.

All the best to you too :)

David

hello David G
Alas, i never had an OBE. i registered the OBE and dreams course and now waiting for it to start.
i bought the book and started reading. i managed to have 2.3 short lucid dreams. and that's about it.
all i can do is read about other people experiences and trust them for telling their subjective truth, and try to figure it out by asking questions.
i am sure, it is a real phenomena for i remember feeling the paralyzing and vibrations my self.
i hope I'll be able to project and investigate by my self.
i think you are right when you say that our sense of physical reality is also limited for it is torn apart by daydreams and thoughts. that and more. i learnt i can not focus upon an object more than a second or two.
my sight concentrate upon one spot and then wonders to another one and so on. as if i can really see for a short while each point . I can see the whole object and surrounding for a long while when I'm not trying to focus, but then it is unfocused off course.
I'm a little bit philosophical and technical. but that is my way of understanding
your remarks were interesting. all the best

Hey Ido,

If you haven't had an astral experience yet, but you're following the Astral book week by week and you take part in the course when it starts, it won't be too long hopefully before you have your first one (and then lots after!). If you follow the book week by week and make sure to do the practices as best you can each week that's what will help you the most to have experiences, because then you'll be learning and building your skills as you go. If you stick it out then you'll succeed, everyone I know who has stuck it out has managed to have astral experiences.

Having lucid dreams is a great start! And your observations during the day are really good too. The more you can learn to focus on what you're doing and try to really see and feel everything around you like you spoke about, the better your astral experiences will be when you start to have them. They'll be clearer and hopefully longer too.

I like seeing how babies look at things. They don't have the same emotions and thoughts that we do and they're so focussed! They just look at one thing until they've seen enough and then move to the next thing. I find myself looking like you said though, where my eyes are constantly trying to move and take in new things without really seeing properly.

I don't think you're being philosophical or technical in a bad way. It's worth asking questions I think because then you get more of an understanding about how to approach things or what to expect. Just remember like you said though that everyone is just telling you about their subjective experiences, you'll know for sure when you start to have them yourself!

Good luck!

David

thanks for the support and the encouragement
we can observe inwards and outwards and we can think about it and we can share our experiences and thoughts.
it all enriches the mind and may be, also, the spirit. being able to project will prove some things to me. it will prove my sensations in the past were true sensations and I'm sure it will give a knew meaning to the word reality.then I'll be happy to discuss with you its' meanings and forms.
all the best

Sounds good, looking forward to hearing how you go!

Its not related but i had the same dream twice and in the dream i felt it was dejavu