What is the source of entropy in this esoteric work?Subscribe |
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Mon, 09/24/2007 - 02:47
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Hello everyone, I would like to discuss the main obstacle of the esoteric work. Is this the way it has to be when doing this work, must a person who is working upon himself sometimes suffer in a state of being which is known as entropy? If so, why? And if it is not neccesary then why do most of the people doing this work go in and out of this psychologically heavy state of mind? Of course the easy answer will be: it is due to our egos, and because they are so strong and make up 97% of our subcounsciousness, egos are pushing back the efforts which a person puts in to his work. Thus, he must put extra efforts if he wants to move on. Allthought it is the basic material of the courses, there is something strange about this way of seeing and doing the esoteric work, isn't there? I used to stay aware as much as possible, practice mantras and all the other techniques as much as possible, put more and more efforts to finally end up in entropy. Why? The more I wanted to achieve; understanding, out of body experiences, discipline, change my self for a better me as I already knew how this better me should be, the more I ended up being in entropy. So this desire to change, to acquire knowledge, to experience the unknown is in fact the main trigger of entropy, do you see what I mean? There for, the whole approach to the inner work - the work in which one is learning who he is and not willingly changing himself to become someone who he thinks he should be, - should be any desire-free, prejudice-free in order for it to go on entropy-free. Entropy is the result of all the behind mind goals while working upon your self. Since inner and outer observation is always conditioned, there is no space for understanding. How can I understand my self if somewhere behind my mind I already know who I shell be by doing this work? I want to become a Master of my self, and this same desire is already the obstacle for any ego-detached observation. More than that, my computer - my head, possess a huge quantity of images, ideals and understandings of what a Master should be. But the reality is that I do not know all that, it is an illusion created by my mind. So to be able to observe, to be aware in the sense of being completely detached from my self, I have to aknowledge that I do not know anything which I have not previously observed in the same self-detached way. I hope you see what I mean, what do you think about all that? Please, be very critical, try to see if you are unswering from your memory, it is those kind of answers I' am now learning to be aware of, and they are the kind of answers that keep us stagnant. |
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Join Date: 2003-12-11
Forum Posts: 327
hello Gyorgi,
It seems by starting this great post you are already fighting entropy nicely.
I see that the key thing here is balance, everything else is a problem, the opposites.
Too many exercises can give irritation, too less laziness.
Practicing gnosis active, the personal Divine is throwing us to the limits and over it, when we see (afterwards) and understand we have to fight this again and again till its gone.
Recently I discover that gluttony is not only about food but everything we want too much. This in combination with greed got me in entropy sometimes. Just because I didn't understand the egos connecting (for a long time), could I not fight it with succes.
To finish desires we need to experience and understand it.
All this takes time and patience.
The best thing for me to fight entropy is simple, just try to be aware, cause then can see the harmful egos.
Then it is a matter of willpower to take action.
I see nothing wrong in the desire to change, to acquire knowledge, to experience the unknown, If in normal proportions.
Try to go without too many expectations (also esoteric).
And watch wanting too much <> patience
cheers, Peter
Join Date: 2004-11-30
Forum Posts: 2618
Hi Gyorgy,
Entropy is natural law, everything what is going up eventually will go down...so I understand that additional efforts are needed in order to keep things rising, alive, real.
Also every time when I fall into entropy, there is a specific psychological problem underneath it, so logically, the answer for me was to find it before it will find me.
Re-evaluating of my work, looking critically at all the activities I do, planning what needs to be planned, retrospecting of the cruicial moments, all helps me to confront entropy, because egos keep finding new excuses and new justifications, and every small compromise with them, leads to escalating consequences.
Like Peter said, I think it comes a lot to awareness and not letting egos to manifest and gradually cause entropy.
Which ego leads the most to the entropy, is it pride, because it is hard to admit it, or laziness maybe, because then you don't feel like doing anything, something else?
I think that the most harmful ego is the one which you are confronting now, because that's where there is the work, it is what we do in the present moment which will lead to the spiritual progress or entropy.