A question about the Masters.
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Sun, 05/06/2007 - 12:17
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John Gregory
Join Date: 2007-05-01 Forum Posts: 37 |
I have seen the word "Masters" several times in various posts and would like to know who these persons are. Much reverence seem to be given these ones. Can anyone enlighten me?Please bear in mind that I have not yet gone through any of the courses offered by this site. |
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Join Date: 2005-05-29
Forum Posts: 213
They have been mentioned since ever before. They are also called Angels, Guardians, Guides, were even called gods in ancient civilizations.
Those are just names to refer to beings that have come to a very high spiritual development, to say it in this way. They have purified their essence in every single aspect and awakened the light within.
You will learn about this in the courses. Anyway there's a breif introduction about mastery in the following link:
http://www.aboutmastery.com/
Kind Regards
Join Date: 2007-05-01
Forum Posts: 37
There are many "gods" but only one Supreme God. Even Satan is a god.
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Join Date: 2003-11-20
Forum Posts: 95
Humans are capable of incarnating their own Divine Being within. Every one of us has our own that has a name which we can uncover upon succeeding with the tests and trials involved with such a work. There have been a few people who have done this throughout history and some of them are still alive today.
Please understand that these things aren't simply things that need to be accepted blindly or believed. There are ways of verifying the authenticity of these 'Masters' ourselves and it is highly encouraged that we do so; wisdom isn't gained through blind fanaticism.
Yes, you could say that there are many gods and one supreme god. There is even more to it than that though. Understanding of these things grow when we embark upon such a work to convert ourselves from human beings to spiritual beings.
I've experienced some truly amazing things over the course of my efforts with the techniques taught here, so I'd recommend anyone to give it all an honest shot in order to see what they might be missing and longing for in their lives.
All the best,
Michael
Join Date: 2004-11-30
Forum Posts: 2909
They are not humans like us, they are Divine Beings and this is something which can be verified.
We call them Venerable Masters Samael, Rabolu and Belzebuub because they have achieved this grade Mastery by doing unbeleivable amount of spiritual work and having passed over the specific initiations.
They transformed themselves into Divine Beings and this is possible for us too! (Mastery and spiritual path are explained in Gnostic Wisdom course if you want to learn more about it)
Real Masters encourage students to test their Mastery and it is quite simple: we can call any Master in Astral and then use conjurations to test him. Later we can ask them for a specific teaching, or they just teach us right away (oftenly in the ways we can't imagine!)
Personally I was quite sceptical about all this Mastery thing because I had a negative experiences with so-called Masters in physical plane but once I had those astral experience, they cleared away all my doubts. This is something which has to be experienced personally and it is not available for a few, just go into astral and call the name 3 times. I beleive that if a person really wants it, it is quite an acheivable goal, then sometimes Masters come on their own, if a person tries really hard!
Besides my astral experiences, another great indicator for me was to try the methods they offer, after so many experiments and failures, I always find the right answer in their books. The change, this work is bringing, is enormous, you can see later, that they have passed over what you try to pass, overcame the difficulties you are facing.
Then, going more involved into work of Gnosticweb amazed me with amount of sacrifice which is done to run all of it... just to help people, oftenly people you don't know. Help to really change their lives, if they want to. This is as spiritual as it can get.
I truly wish you to find the truth about it for yourself!
Join Date: 2007-05-01
Forum Posts: 37
I have seen no encouragement to them to try to project into the higher levels where they can learn much and increase their sprituality.
I believe I am the only one that has openly encouraged your members to do this. If I can do it, anyone that astral projects can.
There is much talk of esoteric advancement but all of this appears to be for the lower levels of the astral plane.
As for spiritual beings, I have seen them and conversed with a particular spirit guide in the astral plane. I will not mention the name or the form that spirit guide appears as. The reason is out of respect for them. Neither will I go into detail of what the conversation was about or what was promised. But I can tell you that it was one of the very powerful spirit guides.
How many students have actually attained such a reverent position as Samael and Belzebuub?
How many have met them in the astral plane?
There is abundant opportunities to gain increasing spirituality in the upper levels. It is there that you will find the answers to questions that plague many about truth. One doesn't need conjurations for protection in the higher realms. I have never had any need for them and yet this site encourages the use of them so much. Why?
Why not teach your members to go straight to the higher levels and avoid the lower ones that you must know contain those negative beings, entities that annoy so much and are so distracting?
Perhaps I have been more fortunate in my experiences than most that use this site. Perhaps I have gone a different way to reach my goals. The path I have taken has given me more blessings than I could ever imagine before my first conscious projection.
As for humans becoming divine beings before death, I am afraid I have my doubts. They may be very experienced astral projectors that can appear to do marvelous things. I met a shaman in astral once and he was able to do marvelous things that amazed me.
I have met a spirit guide that lived and died in the physical world. She is quite a powerful guide, too. She was a Native American shaman.
So you see, I do know what I am talking about.
From what I have seen and am learning here in this site makes me think that it is more like a cult than anything. Giving reverence to a human being, especially a living one, is the makings of a cult.
Join Date: 2004-06-04
Forum Posts: 180
I have not had expiriences myself with higher realms of the astral but I know that there are places in the astral which one can go to but I am not sure how that works. As for referring to people as Master is something that was done through the ages but really only few people who were called masters have actually achieved it. And it is certainly used a lot in different cults.
As it was explained before the Mastery is achieved through very hard work on oneself and by walking along the Spiritual Path. When you meet masters in the astral you can definitely know that the Being that you are seeing radiates very specific energy which differentiate it from others that you could have possibly met. You can also go to spiritual places in the astral and you can learn there from them and then you definitely can know that this particular Being is the Master. This has to be expirienced by oneself in order to verify it.
Student are also encouraged to go specific places in the astral such as churches which are very spiritual but this is a public forum so such matters should not b discussed here as they are more suitable for people who have taken some of the courses and then they can have a better understanding of things.
You mentioned some guides and your particular references to shamans as spiritual guides would not be totally correct at least from point of view of Gnosis. Shamans among some other guides and mediums are actually practising black magic because they are braking certain laws. So it would be best to avoid relying on their advice for spiritual guidance as they would be trying to mislead you or giving you inncorrect nformation.
All the best,
Stas
Join Date: 2003-08-20
Forum Posts: 70
I can understand the confusion/uncertainty about the term "Master." What I would do for now is just take it as a word. Wherever we go we find new or unclear terminology to describe whatever it is we're doing. Don't let this be an obstacle though or something to get hung up over; you would be missing out on a lot more. Have a look through the pages and if what is taught here is something you think you might be interested in, try the courses. Also, have a look through the first few pages of the Astral book on Amazon (ISBN: 0974056030). It is quite a good book.
The main point I want to get across here is to not let the things that are now more or less unclear put you off to trying out what's here. When I first came I saw all the stuff about Masters and just took it in stride - I didn't know what to think one way or the other, but I really liked the material in the courses. I have never been forced to do anything. So I don't think it's a cult - people can take it that way, but the courses themselves, I believe, are there as a source of information for people who are interested.
They do explain more about this whole idea of Mastery in the courses anyway. It will make more sense there because you will have all the info in one place, rather than having to infer the rest from bits and pieces like in these public forums.
Hope that helps a bit, and enjoy the website :)
Kevin
Join Date: 2007-05-01
Forum Posts: 37
May love and peace be with you and may you achieve all you strive for.
Your opening words negate the validity of much you say in your post. You say you have not been to the upper realms so you cannot speak with any authority on the subject. You may have an opinion, which is your right, or you have learned from others and accepted what you have learned as fact without proving to yourself the truth of what you were taught.
I have no doubt that much of what is being taught in this site is highly beneficial and possibly will aid those seeking higher spirituality. That does not mean that all that is taught is entirely accurate. One can say the same about what the churches teach. Much is valid and beneficial but not all is the truth.
Truth cannot be taught. It can be explained but one has to prove to oneself the validity of what one learns. The seeker of truth will endeavor to prove everything to himself. That way, no one can persuade him to believe differently. If you have held a flower in your hands, seen its beauty, smelled its perfume, touched its petals, you KNOW that it exists.
I can tell you that there are indeed very spiritual places in astral. There are "temples" and such that only the spiritual can enter and be part of. No negative entities can enter there.
You are right in saying that some shaman practice black magic, however, not all of them do. Just like other tribes of different cultures, there are some that join forces with the dark, negative entities.
Just as in the lower realms, one can sense the negativity of these entities. Perhaps someone fairly new to astral projection may need those conjurations should they meet such an entity in the upper realms.
Yes, I will agree that there are "certain laws" or code of conduct in the astral. Those that break such "laws" soon find themselves very restricted.
Join Date: 2007-05-01
Forum Posts: 37
I have applied to take a course and I will be examining it very carefully.
I have read many books on the subject of astral projection but not the one you mention. I may take a look at any reviews of the book to see what it contains and whether it is worth buying.
I don't doubt for a second that you were not forced to do anything. That is not the issue at all. As I said to Stas, I am sure that much of what is being taught is highly beneficial for those seeking higher spirituality. That in itself does not mean that all is fact.
Have you been to the higher levels in astral? Have you met any of the Spirits and guides there? Have you experienced the wonder and peace just being in the presence of them?
Can you speak with any real authority on the subject? Why is it that none of the more spiritual ones, the ones that have experienced the things I speak of, answer my questions?
Everyone says take the courses and learn. I will do that, but surely those that have already taken them and have made advances into higher spirituality, have experienced the higher levels in the astral planes where true peace and sprituality reigns. Why are they silent?
May peace and love surround you every moment of your days.
Join Date: 2004-11-30
Forum Posts: 2909
Well, yeah, oftenly we can meet people who don't speak because they have nothing to say.
If you will stay with this organization for a while, you will hear many stories about meeting Divine Beings, but what is the most important, you will be likely to have more opportunities to experience those things for yourself.
However usually those who know, speak much less than those who don't know and many things just can't be revealed becuse they are very personal.
This school is not a cult, because everybody is free to think or do whatever they want, you can leave anytime and nobody will disturb you.
Nobody has to beleive in Mastery or anything else, well, sure, there are certain rules and order, like everywhere -just to make spreading of the teachings to be more effective.
There is one thing I can suggest you about courses -just focus on practical side of the teachings.
Every week you will receive a specific exercise to practice, starting from a very simple ones and going further.
Putting efforts to make them work, answers so many questions.
All the best with your progress!