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Robin Ren
Join Date: 2007-01-17 Forum Posts: 17 |
As the topic discussed a page before this one, the topic about Magic. But after reading all of the comments discussed, I just wanted to know if it is a bad thing to be a Black Magician instead of a White Magician?Thanks. |
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Join Date: 2005-08-17
Forum Posts: 133
That is an interesting question. Good an Bad are very subjective terms so it is hard for me to say what is good and what is bad. It is important to know that Black Magic and White Magic aren't opposites. The black lodge is not the opposite of the white lodge. It seems that 'black magicians' and 'saints' are opposites as they are both trapped within the duality of the subconscious. Black magicians feed 'bad' egos and saints feed 'good' egos but essentially good and bad egos are all the same.
The white lodge however, are totally beyond the duality. They are totally beyond good and evil. They are conscious beings who are free of the egos.
Saints and Demons are trapped within the subconscious, where as White Magicians or Masters are free of the duality of the egos. They are truly liberated.
So in answer to your question...Is it bad to be a Black Magician? Well it seems like a pretty silly thing to do. Totally pointless and absurd. Living within illusions.
I could be wrong, but thats the way it seems to me.
Kind Regards,
Dave.
Join Date: 2004-11-30
Forum Posts: 2909
For myself I find that Divine Beings are truly good, that White Magic is the only one which is the right one to do, the only good one, however I think that it is something which should be investigated personally.
So what is good and what is bad for you?
According to it:
*Is it good or bad to throw boomerangs and hit different targets while those boomerangs will keep coming back and hit you, hit the people around you?
*Is it good or bad, to condition hate, instead of learning how to love?
*Is it good or bad, to become an enemy for people around you, for your big family?
*Is it good or bad, to become monster and put efforts to become worse?
If it is good, then what is bad?
If it is bad, then what is good?
All the best!
Join Date: 2004-02-22
Forum Posts: 139
Just to add a white magician carries out the will of the Father, this is in contrast to black magician.
kind regards,
marc
Join Date: 2007-04-08
Forum Posts: 8
In my eye magic is a term that describes the use of universal energry as it is shaped and altered by human use.
Society and common human state of mind is what says what is good and bad, a murder is considered to be evil and it doesnt involve magic.
Magic comes from a source of energy that is neither good nor bad. It is up to how the person uses engery, though its not the energy that good or bad, its the person who chooses to direct it.
So its not whether you are a white or black magician, its whether you are a good or evil person, that I would consider.
Just my thoughts.
Athymari
Join Date: 2005-08-17
Forum Posts: 133
These quotes were all taken from 'The Pistis Sophia Unveiled'. I remember that Jim B once used these quotes and i found them terribly inspiring.
"The Octuple Path of the Boddhisattwas with compassionate heart has nothing to do with good or evil."
"All which is good for those who march through the path of the Right is evil for those who descend through the tenebrous Left."
"All which is good for the tenebrous of the Averno is evil for the walkers who ascend through the path of the right."
"The authentic Final Liberation is only for the rebels, for those who march on the Path of the Midst."
Join Date: 2003-09-08
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I wasn't able to find the post you mentioned that had previously been written about magic, so sorry if what I say has already been mentioned.
Looking at things from what most people would consider good or bad, yes it is bad to be a black magician. Essentially the people that do that strengthen the negative parts of themselves and use powers to have control over people or for personal gain without caring about the consequences.
I've even heard of people ending up in mental institutions because of the way dablling in black magic affects them! Pretty scary!
The opposite of this is white magic where we try and help other people and magic is only done in accordance with the universal law. Basic white magic is taught in the courses on this site and you learn how to become a better person and develop yourself spiritually so you can know what you're doing is correct.
If you decide to do the courses (if you haven't already) then you'll learn more about the nature of existence and more about topics like this!
David
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I know black magicians and i know white magicians. There is no real difference between them, except for this: white magicians tend toward greater hypocrisy.
The most honest magic is found on the middle path. Anyone who brags too much on LHP or RHP is probably lying to you about their real intentions.
Join Date: 2005-01-26
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Hi Wright!
Ha ha - I read that somewhere before, being that:
"...white magicians tend toward greater hypocrisy..."
- Then they are not "white." Agree? Just because they call themselves white doesn't make it so?
To my individual perspective, there is no Black and White, good vs. evil, etc... Like I said to someone before, there's only an omnipresent rule of opposites.
People like to confuse things with definitions that are always never completely agreed on.
My experience, especially with Enochiana, is that we either move towards our source or away from it.
Good and evil are just ideas that enter the mind at Daath and we either evolve towards our source, or exhalt our selves/ego, creations of our own emptiness - you are probably familar with such idea of the Klippoth. That's kinda where I'm going with that explanation. But you know.
I agree that the middle pillar/path is probably the most "honest," an existing neutrality between opposing forces.
To me, to call oneself anything in that context, shows how much one doesn't know.
Anyone who brags about anything probably doesn't understand what they're doing to begin with.
What we think we are doesn't matter if we don't "know."
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>Hi Wright!<
Hi Apakhana.
>Ha ha - I read that somewhere before, being that:
"...white magicians tend toward greater hypocrisy..." - Then they are not "white." Agree? Just because they call themselves white doesn't make it so?<
There are a lot of self-deceptions regarding magic in religion. Why so many metaphysical people refuse to openly admit they practice magic or that magical practice is neutral to ethics and karma, i will never know. But denying those facts leads to much hypocrisy and open-faced deceit.
>To my individual perspective, there is no Black and White, good vs. evil, etc... Like I said to someone before, there's only an omnipresent rule of opposites. People like to confuse things with definitions that are always never completely agreed on.<
True
>My experience, especially with Enochiana, is that we either move towards our source or away from it. Good and evil are just ideas that enter the mind at Daath and we either evolve towards our source, or exhalt our selves/ego, creations of our own emptiness - you are probably familar with such idea of the Klippoth. That's kinda where I'm going with that explanation. But you know.<
I have found the same in Solomonic.
>I agree that the middle pillar/path is probably the most "honest," an existing neutrality between opposing forces.<
Because it allows one to draw on not just mercy, but severity. Both are necessary. It also allows us to enter Daath and walk the tunnels of Set, which is important in doing the work.
>To me, to call oneself anything in that context, shows how much one doesn't know.<
Or is not willing to admit
>Anyone who brags about anything probably doesn't understand what they're doing to begin with.
What we think we are doesn't matter if we don't "know."<
You can say that again!
Join Date: 2005-01-26
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Wright, you have used the Keys of Solomon; are you familair with Franz Bardon's Mercury spirits?
Just wondering, I never talked to anyone who has and don't know how they respond.