Congress Of Guadalajara, 1976
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earthworm
Join Date: 2006-11-03 Forum Posts: 11 |
It is stated on this website that ?However, towards the end of his life in 1976, he declared at the Congress of Guadalajara to the Universal Christian Gnostic Movement, that only 5 of his books should be used and that he wished the others could be burned because of the mistakes they contained.? I wonder how Gnosticweb has obtained this information: Rabolu was not present on this conference. Is there full transcripts of this conference that we can examine by ourselves? It is very difficult to believe that Samael has said so because in 1977 he printed the book ?The revolution of dialectic? where in prologue he stated: ?This work has at its foundation the ancient schools of mysteries and the inner work of the master for his experience which he has pored into all of his works, principally: The Perfect Matrimony, Christmas Messages, Revolutionary Psychology, The Great Rebellion, The Mystery of the Golden Blossom, The Three Mountains and this, his psychological work: The revolution of the Dialectic, as well as his other works, especially the Pistis Sophia Unveiled.?Why The revolution of the Dialectic is not listed on this website as Pistis Sophia Unveiled? This book is one of his lasts, obviously it has significance for the humanity. I feel like I was cheated (maybe it is my pride feels) not having full information on what is going on here. After all are we given correct techniques here to awaken or maybe we just wasting our precious time? I know that someone of you would say ?Go to astral and find out yourself?, please do not bother to say that as I certainly would if I could. These questions are burning me and sooner or later I will have the answers. Or maybe moderators and instructors would be kind enough to ask this straight from Mark and let us know? |
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Join Date: 2005-10-09
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I see what you mean. I personally don't really know. I can tell you what I do know though, in the books offered here from Samael clearly demonstrates what needs to be done in order to awaken. Now I haven't read all 70+ books from Samael and whoever wants to is free to do so, but if you take out the information from his work that can be practiced to advance you will get the information given on the free courses.
For example: In the book "For the Few" by Samael Aun Weor
He says "you should not depend upon ideas or someone else's concepts because within yourself is wisdom" I know Samael has many books about his experiences and they are very inspiring, but this is only a map, a guide for us to look at, but how can we walk along it by only reading it. The consciousness is in grave danger, within each individual and VM Samael Aun Weor states the urgency and unpostponable efforts that we must apply in the here and now. Even just one of his books becomes ever so clear once you begin to practice intensly. I remember when I first read "Revolutionary Psychology" I had only a small clue as to what he meant then as I practiced very hard, all his words came to life, I started to understand his book more and more profoundly after I experienced and verified what he was saying and only in this way did my understanding grow.
Sorry thats all I have to offer and though I am unable to answer your question directly, I hope this still may assist you.
best of strength to you and your quest,
ruben
Join Date: 2006-11-03
Forum Posts: 11
This is a little of assistance.
My point is if this website says something that is not supported by any evidence but instead contradicts then whatever is taught here might be misleading and puts doubt on everything what heere is said and firstly on the mastery of Mark.
And this is grave because so many people (including myself) here trusted their souls to him and follow his direction of the path ?based on Samael?s teachings?. How can I be sure that techniques of transmutation, alchemy, etc. given here are correct and not to delay us in self-realisation, etc.
If I have to study only Samael?s works to find the true path then I probably need to find another legitimate school who can assist me but how one can be sure that it is not another trap?
Can please gnosticweb give solid explanation to my earlier claims, I still believe that this some kind of misunderstanding?
Join Date: 2004-06-04
Forum Posts: 180
I don't wan to disappoint you but I don't think hat anyone from Gnosticweb will try to prove anything.
But i will try to help you with your problem with whatever I can.
I personally was able to understand some things about myself since I started the courses. It was hard and it took a fair bit of time until I could really dedicate myself to practising all the different practises and really learning to see what is going on within me. And eventually I was able to change some of my reactions and eliminate certain things that were preventing me from progressing spiritually. This have proved to me that whatever is taught here works. That is what the most important thing for me is. It does not mean that I don't need to verify that Mark is a master. I think all of us need to do so because it will give us lots of strength and motivation if we will know that we are being taught by a living spiritual being. But in order to do so we have to apply ourselves to practising, so we can learn how to come out of our body and investigate things for ourselves. But before we can do so, we should set a goal and then work very hard to achieve it. If like you said you cannot astral project you have to try harder to work on your practises so you can do so. We have to do whatever is neccessary to achieve our goals. We should consistently try to improve and get better at everything that is related to spiritual growth. Only effort will get us somewhere.
It is also very important that we don't associate with the school. We have to learn how to base everything on our own expirience. This will gives us the true knowledge that will allow us to grow spiritually. This is being taught by any master be it Samael, Rabolu or any other master. The school can help us a great deal but at the end we should be able to do it with or wihtout the school.
I wish you all the strength,
Stas
Join Date: 2004-05-28
Forum Posts: 993
i think i understand your confusion, sparked by the exclusion of "The Revolution of the Dialectic." i have not read this book. it is possible that maybe this book contains things that Belzebuub has decided to put into the courses in the order that he sees fit for us to learn the best. we have to always remember that this is a MOVEMENT, that means it is fluid, it's moving, why? because it is lead by a real Master, and he knows us, his students, better than we know ourselves. of course it's good to "verify" these things ourselves, and also it's good to learn to Love the fruit AND the tree. as the great Master Jesus said of the Jews -- they either love the tree and hate the fruit, or love the fruit and hate the tree. how then does one go about knowing the tree, ESPECIALLY when we don't have direct contact with Him in the physical plane? well i think he has taught us well to astral project, and yes eventually, maybe long time, this will result in success, and even more time and you will be able to walk with him in the Astral for a short time. don't forget that you can also call him if you become lucid in a dream, this is sometimes much easier, and spiritual beings will use the scenes and images within the dream to teach you, you don't have to be perfectly objective in the Astral to experience this, and it is far beyond imagination or words.
i know it's difficult... by unifying purpose in every moment with what God would Will for you, by doing this we will get what we need when we need it.
you are certainly free to read any of Samael's books you want. i would recommend taking the courses in order, and use your intuition as to what to read, the courses give one plenty, but i will be the first to tell someone that what Belzebuub writes is not all we might need to read, but with a solid foundation in Modern Gnosis, and with experience directly with Belzebuub, it's like this has become my center, so i can act on my own with intuition and God's guidance. you will find that the "techniques" taught here are very effective, and with proper understanding through practice, you will find that when you read other teachings, they all begin to make a little more sense.
i was part of these courses for a couple years before ever talking to Belzebuub the first time, i'm sure there were good reasons that i never did before, would probably have turned a lot of people away from the Work, away from me, because i didn't have the understanding that was needed to be able to share these things without creating a rebellion in others. i have yet to talk to Jeshua on the Astral, although i have tried several times : / why doesn't He come? i suppose He knows better :)
push to understand this confusion, it is natural, but as you know, ultimately it can only be understood by dedicating yourself to it.
wish you the best,
Jim
Join Date: 2006-01-10
Forum Posts: 24
On the other hand, any work (all masters included) is incomplete and only represents (to its readers) a ?work? in [u]progress[/u]. Information (progress) is gained to the depth of the text by how much practice (work) is put into the methods provided. Some texts, ironically, are rather meager and have a minute amount of substantial basis. They culminate to rather premature pinnacles of invaluable information. In other words, everything that can be learned from such a text is learned after a point, what?s left are speculative theories or obscure notions.
Samael probably has a pinnacle, but if there is one its probably beyond the vast majority of esoteric writers? notions and empirical substantiations (things that are actually true and can be tested to be proven true). For example, take Max Heindel, the founder of the western Rosicrucian movement. His "Rosicrucian Cosmo-Conception" is very erroneous and has very little practical information (its very out-dated so far as modern esoteric information is concerned).
The Gnostic movement (more modern), on the other hand, is unusual in its practical nature?actually implementing empirical methods in the exploration of self realization. I?m not too sure that?s ever been done (considering that the methods actually work).
Astral projection, on the other hand, is a bit immature?Still gnosticweb, so far as esoteric knowledge and practicality are concerned (so void in many other estoric-centered movements) appears to stand up and above its many counterparts.
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the Pistis Sophia Unveiled is given here:
http://www.gnosticweb.com/documents/EN_Pistis_Sophia_Unveiled.pdf
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"Believing one deserves everything is an absurdity; we deserve nothing..."
--Samael Aun Weor, "For the Few"
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I made through all courses and I was doing? doing?. teacher course for most then a year and looks like it never going to end even though there were no reason why teacher did not let me move to another step. those I wasn?t able much practice my 3d key. Numerous times I offered my help as IT professional to do the work on the website, the response was ?you are not trainee?. And after I found all this controversial information about samael?s works on which gnosticweb keeps solid silence I decided to give up this school and look further and carry my work and look the way I can spread gnosis to people.
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Having read many of Samael's works i can say that the teachings of Belzebuub coincide exactly with that of Samael. Both recommend the use of meditation (Koans, Duality), talk about the importance of concentration, mantra's, astral projection, the sacrifice for humanity and of course Alchemy. The techniques taught are also the same.
Kind regards,
Martijn
Join Date: 2004-05-28
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what you say i feel. in a way i almost feel the confusion as well..... i don't know why Belzebuub doesn't take a bigger part in the forums. we could speculate all day though..... i suppose it would bother me if i hadn't been in the presence of his patient love and wisdom several times. i know what it's like to be with an angel on the Astral plane, and i know Belzebuub is an angel as well.... sometimes the way they act is not what we would expect... i've never met him physically, i would love to, he has so many more students than Samael and Rabolu combined, it would be practically impossible to meet all his students in the physical. until then, we can love the fruit of his labors. i've been here for a long time, but i'm not a teacher, it's okay, i just work with what i know, and i hang around the forums until i can move to a center, teachers are rarely in these public forums so i figure i might as well try to answer everyone else's questions here.
best to you