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I Study psychology for academic and personal purposes.i have questions about brainwaves. samael says: Drugs diminish alpha waves which (forgot the reason) are necessary.i think it was in the great rebellion.i have read almost all the five samael books here, and have taken AD and SW courses already and have not found anything about brainwaves.obviously as samael said alpha waves are good, the deeper to go the deeper "sleep" ending with deta which is so deep you dont dream (according to modern psychology"i have a brainwave generator that sends brainwaves to you and your brain mimics the waves. also theta is said to bring psychic faculties to many people.i ask of you this: are they negative? alpha cant be so why should theta be?can anyone give the Gnostics' point of view on these waves? their spiritual sense?there are brainwaves assisting in psychic faculties, chakras, and OBE'sbut is it still negative? is it a fake bliss?PS. i believe these waves are not considered subconscious, but maybe i dont remember it was so long ago when i read it.Maxwell Nader |
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yes that is where i got that.
my question still stands:
Is it safe? beta waves are complete fully awakened concentration, and when you go deeper (aplha, then theta, then deta) you go deeper into your subconsciouss, so why did samael say that alpha waves are good, and that they are necessary... if they are closer to the subconsciouss?
are scientists wrong? because theta waves, are said to be on the threshold of subconsciouss, and theta also gives intuition, psychic faculties, ESP and such.
are scientists wrong that its subconscious? because if it gives psyhcic things and is used by some people for astral projection and deep meditation... how could it be subcon.?
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I just found some information on brain waves:
since, the lower Hz waves you go you become more subconscious. everyone loves lower Hz, but i said to myself subconscious is what we are fighting against so i looked up some scinece on HIGHER Hz waves,
beta is the normal conscious-state of awareness for a human, with entraining people extent to hyper awareness to higher Hz. scientists say that in states higher then beta (gamma) people are very clear and they can solve anything, and they become smart conscious individuals. but they are against this because they are more fascinated with subconscious states for some reason (sounds normal from people full of egos). well i checked a science place on higher Hz, and it is said that at about 35 Hz, the mid chakras begin stimulation. and when at 55 Hz, the body activates Kundalini!!! i was surprised seing that word in that kind of place! although it was spelled wrong, they state that 55Hz begins "Tantric Yoga; also Stimulation Of Kundalini"
anothe rthing i found was that with subconscious states it also stuck in "astral projection; creative life imagery; psychic" and then i looke at really high brainwaves and it said JUST "astral projection" and one step higher it said "Mental Projection;conscious"
at 83 Hz some people have opened their third eye permenantly just being in this state.
and the funny thing is i looked alll the way oppposite of subcon. and looked at the highest branwave state they had (120-500Hz) and it said there:
"P.S.I. Moving of Objects, changing matter, and transmutation"
i realize that going up to 300Hz in entrainment is dangerous, but going to Hz like up to 50, is said to be healthy, and 30 is regular aware human state.
is it safe to (with carefulness and supervision, and trials and care) to entrain brainwaves that make me up to 50 Hz.
thats only 20 Hz more than an average human. but if i gain chakra activation with these Hz and start getting telepathy or a third eye experience, will that give me bad karma?
is it against divine law for me to do this? am i not allowed to push my conscious awareness?
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I don't know if brainwave machines are good or bad, but it is important to see what we are after - mystical experiences induced by machines?
I think the aim is to develop faculities of mind naturally. The main purpose of the work is to be free from the mechanical way we lead our life, due to egos. The real obstacle in being concentrated and being conscious, is due to the compulsive daydreaming that keeps us occupied all the time. And this is the reason that we are not as conscious as we can be. With elimination of egos, consciousness keeps on increasing in us.
If we are not getting the results, the reason lies within us, it is with conscious work that we remove those reasons - not by getting dependent upon external things, that may give us experiences, but divert us from the real work.
Master Samael says - "Drugs undoubtedly annihilate alpha waves. Then, the intrinsic connection between mind and brain is unquestionably lost, this in fact is total failure." He means to warn against the drugs, that alter the consciousness.
This is from a site:
"The brain?s neurochemical activity generates electrical charges from billions of cells. These charges are classified into alpha, theta, beta and delta brain waves. Alpha waves are produced during alert relaxation, while theta waves are associated with deep meditative states. Beta waves are produced during task concentration and problem solving. Delta waves are present during sleep.
People with serious closed-head injuries usually have too many theta waves, causing concentration and memory problems.
In contrast, many people who abuse alcohol have too many beta waves."
Consciousness can't be measured just in terms of brain waves, I guess.
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i guess youre right. machines cant do the work for us.
but is expirementing, or a little assistance okay? obviously i cant spend the rest of my life listening to binary beat frequencies. but what about once every few days i get a little bit.
also that excerpt you sent me,
the whole range is like this:
Delta (deep sleep;growing hormones; subconscious) is 1Hz-4Hz
Theta (almost subconscious; inbetween state) 4-7Hz
alpha (relaxed state) 8Hz-13Hz
Beta- 13Hz-30Hz
Gamma- 30Hz+++
brain activity and awareness is also measured in these Hz. Gamma is also known as hyperawareness. i tried it once last night only up to 45Hz, and i didnt have one thought for the next 15 minutes, and when i watched T.V. it was interesting, i also found that i feel my body more.
the higher the Hz given in experiments, the more faculties i read on this site occur, so i made a cocnlusion that with all these facts, higher Hz, increases consciousness.
when i get past the JTE course, i will refresh my info on the death, and then i wont need the binary beat frequencies. but as of now is it against Karmic Law to experiment?
will i gain karma for doing this?
what do any moderators think about this subject?
Thank You,
Maxwell Nader
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You may rationalize that using little things like this for an extra boost, at first, are harmless, and they may be. But, there is (most likely) an underlying laziness to this, and I'd suggest that you look deeper into what's manifesting in regards to your interest in brainwaves and such, while in awareness, particularly why you think you 'need' beat frequencies. What you need is to practice and to struggle your way through any difficulties with your practices, which you achieve through...yeah, practice.
Plus, there hasn't be much research done on the effects of using binaural frequenices/brainwave devices, and it's my opinion that it's best not to risk it, considering you are 'forcing' your brain rather unnaturally, which may be similar or even equal to drug use.
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it is good that you investigate things so thoroughly. There is indeed the connection betwen various brainwaves and the levels of being, but the changed brainwaves should be a RESULT of our internal work, not someting induced artificially. We should not confuse the cause and effect.
As MattR said, it is good sometimes to look at the underlying motives of some desires. Why, for example, would you like to artificially change your brainwaves and experience some special states? With a proper spiritual work the faculties and states come naturally and they are not dangerous then. But playing with increasing Hz can be dangerous, because our body is not yet suited for such a "voltage". We have to change naturally, slowly, with eliminating the egos and raising kundalini through alchemy. If we dont have a partner yet, it means we have a lot of work to do untill we find one.
The main aim in these studies shuld always be to become a better person, regardless of Hz, then the rest will happen naturally, and things will be given to us right in the time when we need them. For some people it may sounds a bit boring, they may think ok, I will become a better person and what... But it is not just this simple, because by becoming "better people" the invisible changes happen in our psyche, and we are slowly transformed to the spirtual beings. By concentrating on love and compasion towards our fellows we can bring the biggest changes in our lives and the faculties will appear accordingly to our internal progress.
That is a real awakening for light.
All the best
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i realize the importance of the hidden desire and laziness for the use of the higher waves to induce facluties and so on.
the point is we have to do our work whether theres faculties or not, because thats what really matters, the faculties are an aid.... not the goal.
i realise that going into hyperawareness is dangerous and has its results, that is why i myself will not use them. a friend of mine wants waves that go only up to 30Hz, (average human awareness) for "waking up" in the morning. since 30Hz is proven not to be dangerous, i see no problem.
we are in 30Hz on a regular basis, except mornings are usually more subconscious cuz school opens early here.
Thank You
Maxwell Nader
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However I'm quite curios as to "gamma" states, and where these experimetns took place, if there is any first-hand accounts of what happened etc.
Is there a link to this info, and also how much was the brainwave generator? Also, if one was so inclined, could not a simple music prgram be used in it's place?
Thanx, peace
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